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The Culture and Business of Ganja in Jamaica

ep 81 business of Ganja in Jamaica

Aside from being the birthplace of prominent personalities like Bob MarleyPeter Josh, and Usain Bolt, Jamaica is also famous for its ganja.

Its tropical climate and fertile soils make it a perfect growing environment for cannabis, so this comes as no surprise. 

In this episode, Travis Crane shares his experience trying their local ganja and how their cannabis culture is different from the U.S.

We’ll also hear Jessica Baker’s interview with Dr. Lakisha Jenkins, subject matter expert on Endogenous Cannabinoid System, who’s been studying cannabis in Jamaica.

In Jamaica, I feel like, because it’s been part of the culture on the island for so long the view of it, from the people there is a lot more positive… – Travis Crane

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Some Topics We Discussed Include

0:32 – Cannabis around the world
3:43 – Jamaica: Homeland of the cannabis culture
8:57 – Legalization of weed in Jamaica
21:54 – The Herb Walk interview with Dr. Lakisha Jenkins
24:25 – Exploring alternative and complementary medicine for cancer
29:00 – Dr. Jenkins’ message to the western allopathic system
34:36 – The importance of professional cannabis associations
37:58 – The Kiona T Jenkins Foundation: All about the mission
47:07 – Cannabis testings and conferences in Jamaica
1:01:54 – Working in the cannabis world in the U.S vs. Jamaica
1:16:46 – Where to find them

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Chip Baker: Welcome my friends. Once again, it’s The Real Dirt—The Real Dirt Podcast with Chip Baker. You know, it always makes me feel odd saying that little tagline The Real Dirt Podcast with Chip Baker, because, I’m speaking and I feel like I should have like, I don’t know Alex Trebek or some famous Sidney Jones or some somebody saying The Real Dirt Podcast with Chip Baker. I’m like that’s me. I’m excited to be here, man. 

Cannabis Around the World

This episode is actually about traveling the world and seen cannabis in all its forms. I’ve been all over the country, all over the world, just to see what’s out there. But of course, I’m always looking for a little sticky green or brown, dry brown sometimes as the case may have it. And wherever I go, find that little glimmer in someone’s eye. I find that like a local bit of color. And I often get introduced to some of the finest cannabis in the world. And when this happens, it always makes me think about hospitality and how to like, this is one world, and we are all brothers and sisters here, and if we all loved one another and treated each other more of a like Bible school type of way. We have a far, far better place to live in. 

Every time I meet someone new that I don’t know, it gives me a little bit of hope and about humanity on how we are all just people on the inside. And it doesn’t matter if you’re pro-Trump or against Trump or you want Bernie Sanders or you think that we should be kept illegal or that you think that we should be legal or you think it should be it you know, we all have all these different opinions, but when you come down to it, we’re all the same blood. We’re all the same race here, and we’re the human race, and we do need to be kind to another. 

I’m down here in Oklahoma now we’re Okies. These days were setting up a new Cultivate Oklahoma, and my wife has a dispensary and clone nursery Baker’s Medical. And we’ve got lots of other stuff planned, and then we’re doing, but I’ve got my like first little bit of hate mail from an Oklahoman, or at least someone claiming to be from Oklahoma. And I have experienced so many, many nice people here that the one or two or three other haters out there don’t bother me. 

I’ll have to tell you that Roger sent me an email earlier this week and said that we needed to go fucking home and he was going to come out and protest in front of my business and find out where we lived, and it sounded a little threatening, but Roger just don’t know us, we weren’t threatened by it. We just blew it off, but it did make me think about racism and discrimination. And why people do that and think about it. And, at the same time I’ve got, one of my key guys here, Travis Crane, if you guys know him, he’s out of the country. He’s in Jamaica, and there’s a lot of racial tensions been there in the past, and currently and many people find that they love Jamaica; some people don’t like Jamaica. And, you know, I started thinking about like, how much I’ve traveled all over the world, but I’ve never been to Jamaica. You know, I want to go there, man. 

Jamaica: Homeland of the Cannabis Culture

This idea of Jamaica being one of the homelands of the cannabis culture is for real. I mean, the Rastafarian religion, hey use cannabis as a sacrament. And many people use Rastafarianism as a way to smoke cannabis as a sacrament. And it’s one of the few religions in the world; it’s like that. And it’s definitely one that’s been highlighted here in the US. I was also thinking about my wife has this great podcast called The Herb Walk with Jessica Baker, and she talked to Lakisha Jenkins, who’s been studying cannabis in Jamaica. Has left California to go to Jamaica to study it there because the laws were so much better, similar to what we’ve done is we’ve left Colorado behind to come to Oklahoma because the cannabis laws were far more prosperous and free for all here. 

So I decided I’m going to rebroadcast. I’m going to do two things in this episode. Okay, it isn’t just gonna be me talking. I’m going to chat with Travis Crane about his experiences in Jamaica and the type of weed there, and we’re going to rebroadcast Jessica Baker’s episode with Lakisha Jenkins about Jamaican cannabis and the research they’re doing there on medical cannabis. So, sit back and enjoy this episode with a large fat split. And for those of you who don’t know what a split is, here’s what you need to go about three to five sheets of 1.5 Rolling Papers, and you want to glue all those together. Then you want to take about a half-ounce of the best weed you have. Now it doesn’t matter if it’s the sticky icky is dirt if it’s a brown doesn’t matter. It’s just about half an ounce of the best weed you got.

You grind this all up, and you roll it into a five sheet spliff, and that’s how I want you to enjoy this episode of The Real Dirt with Chip Baker. Hey, if you’re interested in other episodes, please download us at iTunes. We are The Real Dirt podcast. Please join us on Facebook and Instagram and hey Man, tell your friends to listen in, tell your friends to subscribe. We love to talk about it. Cannabis. If you have any ideas on shows or episodes, just drop us a line someplace, and maybe it’s something we’re interested in. So fire that joints up and sit back. Here is The Real Dirt on Jamaica.

In today’s episode, I’ve got my trusty assistant Travis Crane. Say Hey, Travis. 

Travis Crane: Hello!

Chip Baker: Travis has just come back from Jamaica. And you know, we’re also got a special treat for you. We’re going to rebroadcast an episode with Dr. Lakisha Jenkins that Jessica Baker, my wife, had on her podcast, and that is The Herb Walk with Jessica Baker. You can find her on iTunes as well. Yeah, Travis was just in Jamaica. As we all know, Jamaica is the birthplace of Bob Marley, the birthplace of Peter Tosh. What else do they do there, Travis?

Travis Crane: Well, they got Usain Bolt.

Chip Baker: They’re famous for weed in Jamaica.

Travis Crane: Yes. Yeah, they are.

Chip Baker: Jamaica is probably one of the few places in the world where you could say, Oh, it’s just a new Jamaica, and people would immediately think that you were super stone. Still, I mean, Colorado and California, and Humboldt and soon to be Oklahoma all have some of that. But Jamaica, I mean, let me ask you, Travis, were there any, like stereotypes that your friends or family said to you about when you came back from Jamaica on your way there?

Travis Crane: No, honestly, not really. I mean, a lot of people, you know, just kind of occurs to me because I was going to Jamaica, and they had to work during the week. Nowadays, people try to avoid stereotypes and all that.

Chip Baker: Nobody asked you. If you were getting high or like, you know how much weed you smoked or anything like that or expected that you just sit went down there and smoked weed the whole time?

Travis Crane: Well actually, when I got back one of the first things I was asked, they’re like, Oh, so you were in Jamaica? I was like, yep. And they’re like, so was it dirt weed?

Chip Baker: Well, that’s what everybody wants to know. 

Travis Crane: Yup, yeah, it’s the big mystery. And I mean, I can only give my perspective as I guess what you would call like your average cannabis consumer. Although I guess I like to think, I’m a little more knowledgeable about it.

Chip Baker: Of course, you’re more knowledgeable there. I wouldn’t consider you an average consumer. I’d say more like you have a far above average grasp and concept of cannabis. Far above the average person. You haven’t smoked enough yet. That’s your problem.

Travis Crane: Yeah, I’ll say amateur canna sore how about that.

Legalization of Weed in Jamaica

Chip Baker: So tell us what’s going on Jamaica what’s weeds legal there now?

Travis Crane: So it’s kind of confusing while I was trying to research it, so from what I could gather in 2015, Jamaica decriminalized weed so people could possess up to two ounces. And the part that was unclear is that they may have also decriminalized growing up to five plants for personal use. But from my experience, decriminalization in Jamaica might as well mean legalization.

Chip Baker: What do you mean?

Travis Crane: Well, so like in the United States in a decriminalized state. People aren’t just going to be out and smoking weed in the street because it’s just decriminalized cops easier smells that they’re still going to bust you whatever.

Chip Baker: You haven’t been to California. Have you?

Travis Crane: That’s true. That’s true. Okay. But in Jamaica, I feel like because it’s been part of the culture on the island for so long, the view of it from the people there is a lot more positive than any other state. Well, so I was on a resort, and I was smoking joints on the back patio. The guys who are selling the weed were smoking their joints down on the beach just off the resort. When you’re driving down the street, you would see some people just puffing on something while they’re hanging on the side of the road. So it’s

Chip Baker: Everywhere, a man with the smell of ganja in the air, man.

Travis Crane: More or less only when they were smoking it though none of it had enough smell or travel.

Chip Baker: All right, it wasn’t like Denver, where you can just drive down the road, and it just reeks for miles.

Travis Crane: Yeah, but anytime you went through an actual town, you’d get a whiff plus anywhere you went as a tourist somebody was trying to sell you ganja. So

Chip Baker: Okay, o it’s medical-legal or decriminalized?

Travis Crane: They decriminalized it, and I believe, at the same time, started establishing a medical industry. So I think it was like March of 2019 is when the first medical dispensary opened. What Jamaica is doing that’s pretty cool is they had amendments added into the new law that gives subsidies and helps indigenous farmers who have grown ganja on the island for years transition into the legal industry and supply medical dispensaries by helping them get licensing and subsidies for land and all that kind of stuff.

Chip Baker: So are there, dispensaries?

Travis Crane: I only saw one. I think it was in like St. Anne or something like that. I think there may only be a few on the whole island. So right now–

Chip Baker: You didn’t buy your weed dispensary; you bought it from a Rastaman?

Travis Crane: Yeah, we got it from a few different people, but uh–

Chip Baker: Were they Rastas?

Travis Crane: I would say one of them. One of them was the other one seemed just to be your average dudes who are just slinging trinkets and weed.

Chip Baker: Just businessmen, just businessmen.

Travis Crane: Yeah. But I mean, what’s funniest to me just being my first time in Jamaica? I was on the beach, and I was out in the water with my father, who is close to 60. And all of a sudden, a guy rose to us in a canoe. And he has a box full of like trinkets and stuff like that. And he’s like, like a wig. Yeah, straight up wooden canoe that was painted. He rose up, and he’s like, Hey, guys, what you need. And because I just got there and one of my goals was to get some guns. I was like, Oh, well, I’m trying to get some ganja. He’s like, Oh, yeah, I got you. I got you. And he takes out this little container that couldn’t have had more than like two G’s in It tried to sell it to me for $80.

Chip Baker: Did you tell him you were from Colorado?

Travis Crane: At some point? I think so. But I had to laugh at him a little bit. He tried to tell me that his father owned a dispensary in Florida, and that’s where he got the flour from. But I’m a smart cookie, and I know that flour isn’t legal in Florida.

Chip Baker: Oh, man, it totally is. What are you talking about?

Travis Crane: Is it just concentrate? 

Chip Baker: No, bro. Don’t you remember that episode of The Real dirt? When we had that dude from Florida that came in, and he said that they had just legalized for flour.

Travis Crane: Oh yeah, maybe I’m wrong. 

Chip Baker: Yeah, man. You got to get that on your The Real Dirt, wait a second. Do you subscribe to the real dirt? Of course, I do. Do you get the the the emails and you get the new latest episodes released?

Travis Crane: Yeah, every time there’s a new article.

Chip Baker: Have you been working so hard that you skip that part of the episode? 

Travis Crane: Yeah, well, I’m always working on new episodes. Takes hold. I told the first guy I’m going to pass on that one. And it figured I just waited until a little bit later and ended up talking to a bartender at the resort still got ripped off because he was all shady about it. I mean, it was probably close to an A, maybe like four or five G’s. It was pretty dense. But it also had probably 15 to 20 seeds in it.

Chip Baker: Oh, sweet, man. So where you planted those already now that you got back?

Travis Crane: Oh, yeah, they’re already sprouting a little bit. I was actually pleasantly surprised. The smell obviously wasn’t anything special. It was more like earthy and grass. See the nanny thing. And when you squeezed it and broke it open, you got a little bit of like sweetness from it, so it smoked all right actually I was expecting to like cough up along from the seeds or something like accidentally leaked.

Chip Baker: Joint the seeds, dude.

Travis Crane: Well, I know, but you never know if one might slip in there.

Chip Baker: I get it.

Travis Crane: The biggest challenge for me was I normally use a grinder to roll my joints and the stuff. There was a lot stickier than the stuff in Colorado, which like just turns to dust in your fingers. So the hardest part was breaking it all apart, roll the joints so rolling a joint would take me like 15 minutes because my fingers would be so sticky and the nugs were super sticky. I don’t know if that was because they were that resinous, or they were just a little on the moist side. But either way, the joints all burned pretty great. I got some Jamaican hash too. It wasn’t too bad made the joints a lot better.

Chip Baker: Oh yeah man, so we put the weed look like did it look like our weed or could you tell if it was a landrace weed was did have crystals that have colors was it all brown or blue?

Travis Crane: Most of it was definitely darker green. None of it like was crystally or frosty or anything like that. One of the guys that we purchased from actually handed us probably close to an eighth of weed on about a 12-inch branch. So we got a full branch with a bow–

Chip Baker: Anything special or you just get a branch wiener?

Travis Crane: It was just a branch. My brother actually got that one. He just walked up to the guy with 20 bucks and said, well, this got me, and he just handed him.

Chip Baker: The branch man.

Travis Crane: Yeah, I mean it came with two pretty decent size nugs and then like six of the little side nugs down the stem. I’m not sure smart enough to say whether it was a landrace or not. But I doubt it was any crazy hybrid, that’s for sure.

Chip Baker: Your smart guy man, you’re just not experienced.

Travis Crane: Yeah, exactly. It was my first time smoking Jamaican weeds.–

Chip Baker: I’ve had no many people in the seed industry in Europe, Spain, and Amsterdam. And many of the big guys say that people have come and bought five-gallon bucket loads of European seed for Jamaica. And that Jamaicans actually really like growing the European seed because it grows just a little bit and flowers so they can harvest a bunch of times. 

Travis Crane: Okay, right. That makes sense. 

Jamaican Land Races

Chip Baker: Yeah, I think the Jamaican landraces have I’m sure people are keeping up with some of it, but you know, the way they cross-pollination and they keep it in the males and you know, nobody has few people have breeding programs. It’s just hard to preserve that type of stuff, especially when it’s so much economy there too and in cannabis like people are growing it for export all over the Caribbean, all over the world.

Travis Crane: Yeah, and honestly, I think what probably surprised me most was the last guy that I bought some flour from. I was at some roadside restaurant getting some jerk chicken jerk pork, like a stereotypical tourist. This guy is just hanging outside, holding branches in his hands. And they look the best trim that I’d seen so far. And they were actually some pretty fat looking nugs on there. And I was like, Alright, well I’ll try some of that even if it has some seeds in it because at this point, I assume everything does and so I ended up asking the guy Why are there always seeds in it? Are you have you tried like getting rid of them? And he was like, No man, we keep the males in there. It makes the females even stronger. Something along the lines of like we impregnate our women is what he was how he put in.

Chip Baker: Yes. Misogynistic attitude over. 

Travis Crane: Yeah. But either way, it’s nothing to rave about, but for going somewhere so far away and trying the weed that they have, I was very impressed.

Chip Baker: Well, awesome man. I tell you, we all missed you while you were gone. Everyone was envious that you were, you know, on a resorts everybody was making fun of you smoking schwag we but yeah, because they weren’t on the resort. I said that wasn’t, man. I was envious that you were in Jamaica, picking seeds out of buds. You got some pictures for us, right? 

Travis Crane: Yeah, you can see some pictures of the bud. I got there on the real dirt podcast, Instagram. They’re also on The Real Dirt Facebook. Also, if you want to read up on the history of Jamaica’s cannabis laws and why their culture is so cannabis oriented, there’ll be an article about that on The Real Dirt too.

Chip Baker: In that handy.

Travis Crane: Yeah, it’s always good to know.

Chip Baker: Awesome, Travis, well, hey, man, you know, this is one of those cool episodes where I edit a bunch of stuff together. And I think we’re going to replay an episode of The Herb Walk podcast with my wife, Jessica Baker, where she interviews a lot, Dr. Lakisha Jenkins, in Jamaica about medical cannabis in Jamaica and the research that they’ve done there. Hey, have you listened to that episode?

Travis Crane: I actually don’t think I have. 

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The Herb Walk Interview with Dr. Lakisha Jenkins

Jessica Baker: So Dr. Lakisha, did you grow up with a connection to herbalism or farming or a back to the land type parenting, or did you kind of come to this by yourself?

Lakisha Jenkins: Oh, it’s funny. It’s like a little mixture of both wants to talk about it in my family history. It’s there. My grandfather’s honestly an herbal healer. I remember him back in Mississippi having like gardens growing a lot of fresh fruits and vegetables, and he can walk out into the woods in Mississippi and pick you every seven very different everything that [inaudible] I was born in Mississippi, but I lose some [inaudible], and I was [inaudible]

I spent all my summers there until I was 19. Don’t get part of my history there, but not influenced. My parents weren’t like that I grew up in Silicon Valley or watched Silicon Valley become Silicon Valley. I think I had to exclude it more, too, when my oldest daughter was diagnosed with brain cancer that I really was looking for a solution and going back to the basics, back to the cursor, back to health. And that’s guided me to this particular journey that I’m on now.

Jessica Baker: So you weren’t a natural path at that point when your daughter was diagnosed?

Lakisha Jenkins: No, you know, no, I wasn’t. I studied out being a food scientist because I’m very interested in Christian and health and food science. And so that’s actually where I started. But like I said, I grew up in Silicon Valley. So I quickly– my dad was a network engineer when I realized that’s where everything was the day when my daughter was diagnosed. 

When I questioned whether chemotherapy and radiation were the appropriate courses, because hexamer was so rare, that only three cases had been seen in the brain, and they decided to give her treatment protocols, but different types of cancer and I just learned my heart that wasn’t right. They just want to talk to me about the way it plays a role and help her any, and then maybe they would actually.

Jessica Baker: And so when you realize that you weren’t going to do this experimental treatment on your daughter, did you just seek from the internet? Or did you have other natural paths that you worked with or kind of had what steered the direction of treatment for you?

Exploring Alternative and Complementary Medicine

Lakisha Jenkins: Well, what stirs the direction was the fact that they didn’t want to listen to be at the state of California. If you don’t give your child because they’re a minor, whatever treatment that they tell you to, they consider you a threat to your child because you’re acting outside of medical advice, and they get CPS involved, and they take away your parental rights. So I didn’t have a choice, but to give my daughter chemotherapy and radiation, it wasn’t an option for me. 

So really, what you’re doing is finding an alternative, complementary thing that would not only help cancer but also help with the damage that was being done by chemotherapy and radiation. And unfortunately, although my daughter was able to beat cancer, I want to be clear about that; she beat cancer. They were able to remove all of her brain tumors with her second brain [inaudible] the problem was; she couldn’t recover from the effects of chemotherapy and radiation. And so it was very difficult for me because I’m like, okay, so I questioned to see whether this was right, you said I had to, or he would take away my parental rights and call CPS. 

And now that my daughter is fine based on what you did, she is on you– Do I have, and really that right there is what was the catalysts for change from the back just gave me sort of a kick in the pants in [inaudible]

 alternative and complementary medicine and helping people understand that they have the option and to explore those options.

Jessica Baker: Absolutely. And I mean, that is just a horrible representation of our healthcare system where it’s like we get no power to the people who actually have our children and ourselves our best interest in mind. But then they treat us like a criminal. So I apologize on behalf of the entire western medical system that it sucks and they really, it’s not about health care, it’s about profit, and it’s not about like long term. And unfortunately, Kiana got, you know, one of the unfortunate millions who have been neglected and also abused by our healthcare system, and then the parents are treated like criminals. So, I’m glad you are now a healthcare professional who has a voice for others and also for sanity because this is about sanity. This is not about the bottom dollar for some. You know the insurance company but about people actually thriving. 

Lakisha Jenkins: It is, and I think that’s why I fight so hard. Well, I know that’s why I fight so hard. Number one so Kiana didn’t die in vain that I can use that as a catalyst to change his higher healthcare system in America and beyond. But then I can also use that unbridled passion. You know, they say, I’ll have no theory like a woman scorned. Well, you can’t be more scorned, losing your firstborn child when you really feel in your heart that you absolutely have to. 

So if I can just educate as many people as possible to know that our body is a self-healing organism, if you give your body the appropriate vitamins, minerals, amino acids, all those constituents that are required to sustain life, it can and will repair it—not saying that Western medicine doesn’t have its place.

If you give your body the appropriate vitamins, minerals, amino acids, all those constituents that are required to sustain life, it can and will repair it. -Dr. Lakisha Jenkins Click To Tweet

In my opinion, it’s mostly in emergencies to arrest deaths. But there are also other places that it’s fair. I want to see the two systems work alongside each other, and I want to stop seeing it’s so one-sided, where it’s like, Western medicine is the only way the allopathic medical system is the only way there’s nothing else that you can do. I want to open up people’s eyes and say, yes, there is attrition, half the battle. There’s no other area in life that you can do whatever you want without consequence, and your health is no exception. And I just want that message to be received by everyone.

Jessica Baker: Do you feel like that message is being more widely received than it has before?

Lakisha Jenkins: Absolutely because people are fed up. The healthcare system that we have right now is fundamentally broken at its core. And people realize they’re not getting a solution, and they want a solution. Gone are the days of just masking symptoms and trying to gain some sort of quality of life if you can because that has been successful. 

The health care system that we have right now is fundamentally broken at its core, and people realize they're not getting a solution. -Dr. Lakisha Jenkins Click To Tweet

What people are looking for now is their real healing, and to really be honest, there’s a healing that needs to happen on a global level and so many areas. It starts with health though, holistically, mind, body, and spirit getting those things in alignment and on one accord, getting one with ourselves, our bredrin or other citizens, and one with the earth. That’s what needs to happen. And I think people are starting to be awake and aware and demanding for better.

Message to the Western Allopathic System

Jessica Baker: And do you think the western allopathic system is listening to these demands? Or are they slowly catching up? I mean, I have a friend who he’s a paraplegic, and he was basically just treated like a criminal at UC Davis for using cannabis for his chronic pain. And it’s like if anybody should not be judged for using cannabis. I feel like it should be someone who physically looks like it’s okay if they use I think anybody should be able to use cannabis but to be treated like a criminal still in 2018 in California. Are they listening? 

Lakisha Jenkins: I think they’re turning a year, and I’m going to be open presentation right now. So physicians don’t believe in the healing powers of botanicals as all first of all because they’re not taught that way. But cannabis specifically has a bit negative stigma that’s attached to it. I think what has to happen is we need to change the narrative and the school of thought– by everyone in the cannabis industry that says it’s our right to use cannabis, it should be legalized. 

Everybody, it’s just a plant and all those things because I believe you wholeheartedly, but that’s not how you enact change. You have to think that you are challenging the entire profession of some people that have a huge voice. You’re challenging the school of thought of the entire industry, not that’s just a medical industry, also the pharmaceutical industry. Your message, it needs to be guided, needs to be thought out, and it needs to based on true health science research– What I find is what doctor may not want to hear we should be able to use cannabis because it’s our right, when you educate a doctor or being cannabinoid system [inaudible]. It is that it even exists– takes him on the system, that function and the regulatory action point them to the research and that’s how you start to change hearts and minds. Doctors have to listen, once they start losing patience and it threatens their livelihood, they’ll wake up, and they’ll listen.

Jessica Baker: You know, I feel like as long as they keep getting kickbacks from the pharmaceutical industry, it’s only going to be when it’s a cannabis pharmaceutical company, giving them a kickback will they be like okay, we’re listening, and you know, I say that with a little tongue in cheek but also that’s how little faith actually having doctors to do some free thinking and on their own even if they feel like their career is on the line. I don’t know, I just and that’s mean have made. I don’t quite mean that exactly like it came out. 

Lakisha Jenkins: I agree; it’s not. You’re just being real. I mean, these are the real problems. This is what we face to be very honest. And I think that to me, it’s a challenge. It takes people like you, which I love and respects so much your work for just that reason. It is education, getting the real information out there used to give platform youth, whether they’re listening or not. Eventually, that word is going to get out there, and it’s going to be heard. It just takes us all band together to do it.

Jessica Baker: It does absolutely, and I am seeing that a little bit in this cannabis world. Let’s kind of go down that rabbit hole for a minute. So you were the founding member and the first president of the California Cannabis Industry Association, and then you served on the board of the NCIA, which is the National Cannabis Industry Association. You know, what has your experience been working within those various associations? And are they looking out for the business, the consumer, what’s kind of the purpose of those associations that I’m asking for a personal reason? And also just so, you know, listeners and then other people in the cannabis industry who keep getting bombarded with like, go to this event or join this group? You know, what’s kind of your opinion about those and professionally because you’ve been involved, so you know more than most of us?

The Importance of Professional Cannabis Associations 

Lakisha Jenkins: Yeah, I think that professional associations, on the whole, are needed. There are advocacy groups today. So there’s like, I have a cooperative business model, they’re designed to be everybody working together within that association for a common goal. So that sort of ideology really resonates with me. I really believe it is that core mission. I think the problem with some of the associations that we have now is that core mission. If you think about California, the largest cannabis market in the world was built on a movement of patients’ rights, patients’ access. 

That movement has now turned into an industry, though. And just like any other industry, when you have people that have a vested interest in building the movement when the industry comes in, unfortunately, that unbridled passion, it’s not in line with the interests of the shareholders these days. I hate to say it like that, but it’s what it is. The unbridled passion is no longer what it’s about anymore. It’s about the business of cannabis. And unfortunately, whoever has the most dollars, decides what the business of cannabis is, and that is a core and fundamental problem. And one of the reasons that I still okay in my own way, on the core mission like we started this in the first place to save people’s lives: the endogenous cannabinoid system and regulatory system. You can’t experience homeostasis in the body without regulating that system or supporting it nutritionally, people are dying, and they don’t have to. And unless that’s your mission, to save people’s lives and to spread that education, I can, unfortunately, no longer contribute all of my time and energy to supporting a mission that’s outside of that. That’s where I’m at.

Jessica Baker: Well, I love that because you’re like walking your truth, which is what we need. I don’t really want to see cannabis go on to the model of everything else, which is like money and greed and power, which is kind of, unfortunately, what seems to be the natural progression of the business. And I know there are alternatives for that. So thank you for being so honest because I feel the same way. But I didn’t know if that was just a personal bias or if this was actually rooted in something. It’s nice to know that I wasn’t just a little stodgy against them because you’re right, I’m an acupuncturist we need our associations to lobby for us, but we also need to make sure we understand the common goal, which is the betterment of people, not the betterment of a few people’s wallets, you know, which is really what I do see happening. 

So let’s talk about your mission for a while because you have The Kiona T Jenkins Foundation and also the pharmacy. So explain both of those to us a little bit more and how they weave together if they do at all.

The Kiona T Jenkins Foundation

Lakisha Jenkins: Yes. So The Kiona Foundation is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization. We started out as a cancer foundation, providing financial assistance to cancer survivors. And it became a point in time where I realized so many people were being diagnosed with cancer that couldn’t be effective. I couldn’t provide the type of financial assistance that I needed to. I don’t have to have endless pockets of endless budget able to do that. 

I had to change my thought process and say, this is where my mission comes in, helping people not get cancer in the first grade, changing work to a holistic health organization, and saying, hey, this is what you need to do to support your body nutritionally. Just like I said before, support that self-healing system so that you don’t get in that situation, but if you do, here are some complementary and alternative things to help you get out of it. 

We still provide financial assistance by way of giving treatment, cancer survivors, and I hate to use the word treatment, but nutritional supplementation to combat symptoms of chronic degenerative and terminal illness is what I mean. Just in case the FDA is listening, just kidding, not kidding anyways. But we still provide that financial assistance, and the pharmacy is our agricultural cooperatives. So everything is a nutritional base like I say; we have to have nutrition. And I feel like cannabis is a nutritional supplement it honestly and truly is because it supports the endogenous cannabinoid system through Phytocannabinoids that was medication, if you’re taking it, especially internally, that’s what we need to think about. 

So they sort of play together with each other because through the pharmacy and growing, not just cannabis, but other medicinal herbs and fruits and vegetables, creating products that are based off of nutrition and helping you learn how to use those products, making sure everyone gets the right product with the right dose and the right delivery method to address whatever symptoms they have. And then really, that comes through our parent company of Jenasis Cooperative Incorporated, where we operate, again on a cooperative business model. Everybody is working together for a common goal. 

So we have the agricultural sector, we have an interesting to close sector, we have the education and treating sector of that organization, everybody is coming together, to change the narrative, change the message and try to do our part to bring that healing to the nation, to the world because that’s what’s needed.

Jessica Baker: That is absolutely what’s needed. So that’s awesome. So part of the pharmacy cooperative is a farm. You’re actually growing cannabis and other herbs for some of the products that you then can sell your clients.

Jamaica, the Most Pristine Land

Lakisha Jenkins: Yeah, absolutely positively. So we’ve been able to expand that next year in Jamaica. So I’m based in Jamaica more than anywhere now. And here because Jamaica has some of the most pristine lands and some herbs that cannot be found in any other areas of the world are found here. And some of the most pure cannabis strains where none of the terpenoids or flavonoids, if any of those things have been bred out. You can get those additional strains here, and we have some beautiful farm indigenous farmers that could do some of the most quality medicinal herbs and cannabis that you’ve ever seen. We can do research and development here, a lot easier than I was able to do located in California. So absolutely a part of that is farming, a big part of that is farming and supporting farmers.

Jessica Baker: Did somebody from Jamaica say, hey, come do a pharmacy cooperative here or where you like, I gotta get out of here. Let’s go to Jamaica.

Lakisha Jenkins: So being again, you know– President of the California cannabis is walking, regulating the entire medical– language, legalizing, you know, on an adult level, I knew what was coming down the pipeline. So, I don’t really want to get into what’s going on in California right now because there’s a lot going on. There’s a lot of growing pains that are happening there. And I knew that if I really wanted to make a global impact, I couldn’t do it from California. I was invited to Jamaica in October of 2017 a week at the [inaudible] in Congress. And when I realized that in California, I had 500 varieties of medicinal herbs in my office. And I came to Jamaica, and there were 88 varieties that I never even heard of this magical place.

Jessica Baker: You have a couple of things going on. You have a training coming up in mid-April, and then there’s also a bunch of medical tourism going on in Jamaica right now. Is that with cannabis specifically, or is that with all of these indigenous herbs as well?

Lakisha Jenkins: I love it. And that’s the beautiful thing about Jamaica is people come here for medical and wellness, tourism all the time. From the hot spring, the river, the beaches, the water [inaudible] the business herbs and nutrition, people eat so healthily here every time. It’s wonderful. I think it was the best cannabis here and the medical program that they have here; there’s a lot to expect for it. And the fact that Jamaica actually has, and this is a posted only on [inaudible] the podcast show right now, to make a [inaudible], they recognize medical recommendation from anywhere. 

You can work through the Ministry of Health, get a signed paper stamp that if you come from a legal state like California. You’re able to fly out of California with your medical cannabis and can get sanctioned comply with their medical cannabis, and that’s one of the things that I encourage people is to be able to readily see what you have and let’s compare and say okay, these are the will additional qualities that are found in this thing based on your cannabinoid, terpenoid, flavonoid profile. These are the ones here in Jamaica. Let’s compare and see how we can bring a [inaudible] based on science and information. And that’s all a part of our research project. So the wellness of medical tourism is a huge research study. 

We want to get people from all over the world and collect the data because that’s all that I [inaudible] that the conventional medical system will listen to quantitative data evidence. So we’re collecting quantitative evidence based on self-reporting of how common experience to help the curing [inaudible] collect that data and put it into a large study because we need to change those hearts and minds. And we also have, like you said, the training that’s coming up, so we’re doing an endogenous cannabinoids business certification, and inviting medical professionals in cannabis industry professionals to come to Jamaica and [inaudible] the science behind the enzyme [inaudible] learned about product delivery methods and how to titrate those, cuz it’s all of that data and information that’s going to change the face of the medical establishment on a global level, we need to collect the data. And that’s what I’m doing here tonight guys trying to collect that data.

Jessica Baker: I guess I should have asked you that in two questions. Because I was so fascinated by the first part of your answer that I want to make sure we get like both of those separated because they’re both so important, so first of all, basically you’re saying anybody from illegal state needs to fly to Jamaica, with their best weed, come to have a smoke of Jamaica and be able to compare the difference between like the Jamaican strains and the ones that you’re bringing, and then do they need to bring which I love, it’s like my new favorite thing to do like I’m basically like, when can I go to Jamaica. Do we need to bring her own lab test, or do you have a lab there that you work with, and then you take a sample and do it at your lab?

Cannabis Testings and Conferences in Jamaica

Lakisha Jenkins: So I do it for everybody. Yes. We have laboratory testing here. We actually had laboratory testing through the University of the West Indies and a couple of other independent labs located in other parts of the island so we can get your medicine tested and really collect that research and data. Everything that I would say is to prove the agricultural ministry is to get seeds here because one thing about Jamaica, anything that you plant in the soil here, fruit, vegetable or herbs, [inaudible] There are so many microclimates in Jamaica, you can grow it in three different parts of the eyelid and get three different phenotypes offered the same. This is a magical place. This is the place to do that research. So absolutely, yes. Submit them to the Ministry of Health, let your cannabis products to Jamaica, and let us do the research.

Jessica Baker: That is great. And I really had no idea. That’s what you were doing there. I thought you were just more like teaching. And I didn’t realize you had such a big research aspect to what you were doing,

Lakisha Jenkins: Everything is research, so my existing model in California with my private practice, and it was based on research. I didn’t want to build out a medical profile. We took account of everything that we’ll give you what the effects were? What’s the cannabinoid terpene profile? This is even a lifted profile work, we could get that information, and we collected all that data. So we could say definitively, this particular genetic profile. Theoretically, it should be good for this position. We just picked up and done that here now in Jamaica because we use that research, almost [inaudible].

Jessica Baker: So can you share with us when you know something specific? Like is there a specific strain that you found good for insomnia due to like pain. 

Lakisha Jenkins: Here’s the hard part. I can’t dial it down to strain. I have to dial it down to genetic profile, because unfortunately, what people claim their strengths are, are actually what their strengths are. So we offer cannabinoid terpenoid and potentially flavonoid profile. That’s what we work specifically so that we can say if it’s persistent in these percentages, theoretically is good for this because these many people have self-reported that they felt this using this specific profile. So we really dial it down to the science of the genetic profile and just the name of the strain. If you bring your [inaudible] here, though, or you bring your cannabis flowers here. And that genetic profile to something that we can call a strain. I think that’s how now we start to actually classify, okay, this genetic profile, yes, we can give it a name. But it’s a really good genetic profile that determines how effective this particular botanical is, for this particular with this particular condition.

Jessica Baker: All right, I just want to point out to the listeners, for those of you who don’t know that’s the answer people should tell you when you ask what strain is good for this because it’s so true. Everyone throws some random name on there, and then you don’t know what you’re actually getting. So it doesn’t matter what the name is. What matters is the actual profile of the plant. So thank you, Dr. Lakisha, because that was like my favorite answer is like, oh my god. Yes. Okay. So if you’re curious, look up Dr. Lakisha Jenkins. There are a million websites that are gonna tell you just BS answers. But her answer was like, the A plus plus plus answer. So thank you.

Lakisha Jenkins: Thank you. When you’re posting that you say things that speak to that [inaudible] information out there to the people, this, so my favorite thing is when you talk about in the covers, [inaudible] go with that genetic profile, I’m like, yes. Get the information out there for the real information, not just the fluff.

Jessica Baker: Well, I know and everyone’s like, I mean, I’ve had a few people over that indicates [inaudible] who were like, Well, why should we even care about this? We’re creating our own vocabulary. And it’s like, well, you’re discrediting decades of ethnobotanists who have actually been traveling the world to find out the true genetics of cannabis. But awesome that you just want to say [inaudible] because you’re ignorant and you’re basing this off false knowledge from prohibition but awesome. Thanks for wanting to educate yourself. And then most of these people are like cannabis, quote-unquote, personalities. And I’m like, stop spreading nonsense. It’s almost like propaganda. It’s like we have to elevate the conversation, and you are elevating that conversation. 

I just feel like anybody understands that, like, we need a different paradigm, not only for cannabis and health and way of life. It’s like we just wait, the shift of like wholeness and health and actually having, you know, the courage to stand up for these things that we believe in like, this is what the president needs. And this is absolutely what the future needs. 

We don’t need just spewing information and regurgitating false news because it’s the information we’ve known. It’s like we now know there’s even an endocannabinoid system. So let’s like run with that. And we now know a lot about genetic profiles of different cultivars, like let’s honor that and really like dig deep and not just be like, well, I want to call it into [inaudible], but it’s like, you know, it’s not enough anymore.

Lakisha Jenkins: Agreed. And I think that’s probably like part of the method of my badness is doing that endogenous cannabinoid system training like in Jamaica, cuz like we really bring the science and like the doctor boring. Not everybody is interested in, but hopefully, there are enough people to spark the interest by being in beautiful Jamaica that you come and learn the real information, because that’s what we’re going to give, it’s that real information because it does, like we said, we need to elevate the conversation.

Jessica Baker: And so this training is April 15, through the 19th. And then you’re going to have a big 420 party after the conference.

Lakisha Jenkins: Yes. That’s what they do, there’s research at the University of the West Indies, and they research that genetic profiles and what they’re good for. And actually, they send a certification on the cleanliness of the production method of cultivating cannabis here in Jamaica as well. So they’re very science service. And we’re happy to partner with them. And happy to bring that education to the masses for 420 Festival and also education course week.

Jessica Baker: And this is a conference that you’re going to start doing every year you think or what’s your plans with that?

Lakisha Jenkins: Yeah, actually, we’re gonna do it every year, and it’s going to be in a different part of the eyelids. Every time we do it, able to not have that same experience you’ll get for information. There are so many micro-inquires in Jamaica that each part of the island that will get different pieces of information, especially when it comes to the way I said, looking for [inaudible] then it profiles to learn about those that are the cultivation, how like soil amendments to different things, genetic profiles. And then once you [inaudible] genetic profile, that profile can actually contact the symptoms of. I have to be so careful, like, because I think about the FDA. [inaudible] That’s exactly what we’re doing here. We’re not claiming to treat anything. We’re just letting you know that science it is [inaudible] that hopefully, you’ll take that back or corner [inaudible].

Jessica Baker: Well, in Jamaica, do you have to worry about the FDA or just because you work in both places. Do you worry about the FDA?

Lakisha Jenkins: Everybody thought this would go for the United States [inaudible]. The FDA said that it is a pickle or FDA either shutting down like CBD brands and things like that in the states and retailers, all of those things. Yeah, it’s always– for me because at the end of the day I am an American citizen, those laws and things– So yes, it is a concern.

Jessica Baker: Absolutely. I mean, it’s pretty much why I don’t really have a cannabis product on the market currently because whether it’s hemp or medical cannabis because there’s so much to deal with. There’s been seems so many outrageous claims for CBD. I mean, in Oklahoma City they have these giant billboards that say anxiety, CBD, insomnia CBD and I’m like how have these billboards not gotten in trouble much less the CBD store that put them up.

Lakisha Jenkins: I agree, and you know, I don’t understand how we have an indigenous cannabinoid system. And we have over 300 receptor sites. There are hundreds of cannabinoids, phytocannabinoids where we got complex that we know that this one is the most beneficial portion of the population. Know how we got to that point. That’s what I really want to know. I want to know how you really feel like let’s do this by saying okay, cannabinoids, phytocannabinoids have been removed from our diet in the form of [inaudible]. Like 80 years, everybody that’s probably suffering from some solar [inaudible] to this issue. 

So yeah, if you take one isolated cannabinoid, you’re going to feel better for a very short period of time. That receptor has received all right [inaudible]. What about the other one? That’s the problem, and I’ll get on my soapbox for just a minute. When the allopathic medical system now we take a group of symptoms and based on the way the symptoms persist, we come up with a disease diagnosed as bad disease diagnosis, we come up with a treatment protocol for individuality whatsoever. So such as fibromyalgia and Lakisha has lupus at the end of the day, that’s because fibromyalgia and [inaudible] is an auto-immune system disorder guess because it persists [inaudible] isn’t an autoimmune system. We need to tap the root cause. That’s the problem that we think we know what every individual on the planet needs. So that’s why I’m a proponent of full-spectrum. Providing the entire, the entire botanical profile as completely as possible is the most natural as possible. 

So your body can use that and nutritionally, and it can choose which of those active constituents that botanical is best for it and discard the rest like it does everything else nutritionally. We need to change that school thought. We need to change our approach. Wait, we’re going to heal the world. And that’s just how I feel about it.

Jessica Baker: That’s exactly how I feel about it too. And I know that there are more of us out there. We just have to like actually be vocal about this and spread it to as many people as we can. Do you still see clients in California?

Lakisha Jenkins: I don’t see clients in California. I do telemedicine through my website, so you want to have a consultation with me. I have a number of outlets, licensed outlets in California, that I have partnerships that can pick up your medicine in California. I do see patients here in Jamaica; you can come to see me here in Jamaica. You can do medical or wellness tours, retreat here in Jamaica. Or you can do telemedicine anywhere in the world, and I’ll try my best to use private sources to get you the products and support what you actually need.

Jessica Baker: That’s great. So regardless of where you are in the world, you could do a tele-appointment. And if you’re in Jamaica, you can see like Dr. Lakisha in person. What are some of those stores? The retailers in California, so that means if somebody has a consultation with you, and they live in California, they can pick up like the herbal protocol that you’ve made for them.

Lakisha Jenkins: Absolutely, yes, because I’ve got a few of the retailers. I’ve vetted their product lines and what they offer. I actually help what product line they actually offer because they’re one of the ones that are very conscious, and they base their retail location off of science. So I’ll be able to direct you to them to pick up products that will help to combat the symptoms of whatever you’re experiencing.

Jessica Baker: Oh, that’s great. You know, I find a lot of the products at the dispensary to be pretty lacking, so I’m glad to know that you’ve formulated and helped formulate some of those. What’s the biggest difference that you notice between working in the United States and working in Jamaica, in the cannabis world, and just, in general, a big difference between the two countries?

Working in the Cannabis World in the U.S vs. Jamaica

Lakisha Jenkins: I think in general, health and wellness is a lifestyle here. It’s not an afterthought. Unfortunately, in America, health and wellness, [inaudible] medicine, preventative approaches health are not common, like [inaudible] is definitely [inaudible] here. But both Jamaicans [inaudible] what is botanicals [inaudible] primarily first and foremost their major difference. Secondarily, I think that in the cannabis industry because cannabis is such a part of the culture here. You find that the post of ours that have been growing it for a very long time had actually studied science [inaudible] that they may not be able to articulate it through botanical profile with that type of thing, but they can tell you what these particular botanicals the particular strains that are found here are good for. I think that the amount of research that has gone into that because there are a lot of traditional medicine healers here in Jamaica, the school of thought is different. 

I think one of the things that I find funny about America, we’re so focused on cannabis, and we forget that there’s an entire population professional like you that based their entire careers are botanical medicine. It’s not just cannabis [inaudible] as a whole, and so I think that here, that school of thought [inaudible], most people think that way, there’s some sort of natural remedy that they will go through prior to going to college. It’s not the same in the United States.

Jessica Baker: Yeah, definitely not the same in the United States. I mean, I feel like now even it’s almost worse because, for some people, healthcare’s not even an afterthought. Now, it’s like this fad, and if you’re not on a very specific diet and protocol and wearing this outfit and doing this exercise, then like, then you’re not healthy, which is really confusing to people who really are trying to decide what health means for them. 

And it’s as simple as, have drinking herbal tea, take a walk in nature and like, you know, we’ve created this like confusion around health, I think in the United States that probably in Jamaica. They don’t have because it’s like they’re like growing more of the food, they know the herbs, they know the local remedies for everything because it’s just passed down from generation to generation and so getting it from an advertisement on Instagram and that’s telling you what health means today totally like a different approach to life in general. 

And I don’t know personally cuz I’ve never been to Jamaica but my friends who have family in Jamaica, they were talking about how you know, it was really like the Rastas who embraced cannabis, and I know for a while, they were kind of looked down upon for their what would see me lay for some people be excessive cannabis use. Now is Jamaica as a whole. Are they embracing cannabis more? 

Lakisha Jenkins: No, I don’t know that. [inaudible] 100% that’s like a [inaudible] community. We have to take that the nutritional approach that education approach because that’s what makes it sense. [inaudible] make it make sense to them. Because everybody is everybody’s experiencing some sort of ailment and you really educate them on their doggedness cannabinoid system and how it could affect the other system and how they could potentially experience [inaudible], most efficient or dresses. That when it’s like, oh wait [inaudible], don’t pay that I’ve had that effect this [inaudible]. Based on cannabis, [inaudible] and now I’ve changed my mind, as opposed to should be able to take it because it should be able to just take it. We’re not at that point. Not in Jamaica. When the whole [inaudible] bought in America, in the world, we have to change; we have to elevate this.

Jessica Baker: Yep, absolutely. And I was hoping for some reason that like, there was just this, you know, awakening. But of course, if the people aren’t even smoking weed yet, how are they going to have the awakening? You know, but–

Lakisha Jenkins: No, not yet. 

Jessica Baker: Well, this really makes me think of like a larger topic, you know, that is unfortunately ingrained in the United States culture and in so many places around the world. Is this like inherent racism that’s going on? Right. 

And in Jamaica, it’s against the Rastas in the United States; it’s pretty much against everyone who’s not a white male, and even though they feel like demonized at this point, and so I don’t want to demonize white males. But I mean, you’re a strong black woman in a very white male-dominated space. And how is that for you? And how does it know there’s all of this like, you know, multi-million too soon to be a billion-dollar industry that when there’s still people and jail, and that’s all sorts of a teller to people who are in jail like white, black, Mexican, like all Latino, everyone that and you know we have this huge industrial prison complex here in America. How do you reconcile that within yourself because I struggle as a white woman how to reconcile that within myself?

Lakisha Jenkins: I spoke to you because you want to be completely honest. Just go like let’s just be real, whether black woman or not. Fortunately, unfortunately, the way that you describe it. I grew up in California in Silicon Valley. My father was an engineer, and my mother was a corporate baker. A lot of minority families went through drug war and all those things. I did not experience, honestly, wasn’t until my work in the cannabis industry. I opened my eyes, and I will realize the problem.

I didn’t realize the problem. I haven’t had a very sheltered life; I won’t lie, so I struggle with it. And that’s the reason why it’s been so hard. And honestly, [inaudible] when you think of cannabis, you think of Jamaica, and when I’m scared and how bad this country is struggling, so when I see, this inherent does classism here, like boys in racing, there are classism and colors that scared. So the classism and it’s definitely against the [inaudible] will be those people that go into [inaudible] And so it’s sort of the same sort of fight [inaudible] America classes? It’s the state of struggle and, and I feel that any community that’s been affected any population, any people that have been affected, disproportionately arrested, prosecuted, from this plant [inaudible] to help it have space and have a voice, it has to wait to come into this market. Everyone is farmer ties, and those are the people who should be able to have space if you were doing cold regenerates fully without having that fear anymore, that those are the people who know it. Those are the people who should benefit. So yeah, I struggle. I still go. I think it is definitely racism. I think here’s [inaudible]

Charge to help to change. I mean, the lie of a doctor saying, I don’t know how to take me, I really don’t– like I said don’t know.

When I see the injustice when I see that this service, I’m not going to turn a blind eye. And I’m going to speak out [inaudible], even if I can’t change the world, even if I can’t [inaudible]

Jessica Baker: Well, I appreciate your total honesty and that answer because I think it’s important for us to remember that we all did grow up in a completely different world than someone, maybe even our next-door neighbor, but definitely someone who lives in an entirely different state, or a different country regardless of the color of your skin. Right? We all have different realities and how we grew up. Most of the people I know who grew up in California, I mean, you guys were lucky to grow up there for the most part, regardless of what economic status your parents had, right? It’s like, like that you just get to live in California is like a privilege on so many levels. But I guess this brings up another thought. And then I know we have to go because we’re busy, but I could pretty much talk to you all day. And that is about because of nutrition. 

Nutrition is such a big part of your work and your mission. And like we understand how important nutrition is for health. And so, for the United States, again, we have these like food deserts, and unless you’re really lucky, you don’t have like this access to really good like organic or even just fresh fruits and vegetables. How do you work with that within your clients in your work? And then also, how does that the same for Jamaica? Or because it’s so plentiful in terms of like things growing everywhere, do you see that same disparity and just access to good food?

Lakisha Jenkins: There’s no disparity in access, but sometimes there’s a disparity of equity in education and [inaudible]. And I’m going to be real honest with this. A lot of first world countries contribute to the problem because our capitalist mindset and sort of [inaudible] your self-worth, and [inaudible] whether it’s good enough. I’ll give you [inaudible] vegetables grow every year in Jamaica. You can find fruits and vegetables, like rotting on the ground because there’s such an overgrowth. 

There’s an abundance of food growing wild everywhere here, but because you can’t eat at that restaurant or you can’t have that particular food that so and so over there has [inaudible] that particular [inaudible] on putting your self worth on your ability to be able to access that [inaudible] But there’s not as much like maybe hunger and starving people on the street because some people recognize that, it still exists and I don’t understand how it exists here. So I realize that it’s that sort of mindset that they’re looking at, well, that’s the first world. I want what’s in the first world. Forget all of these things. I suppose growing around me. This restaurant is first-world being able to go to that. Even Burger King or Wendy’s or whatever is here that fancy restaurants [inaudible], and if I can’t have that, I won’t see that over there. You know, I will challenge my status again. It’s a very classist society. They’re very [inaudible]. And it really just is mind-boggling. Honestly, how much America has a mental look to America for everything. It’s like Big Brother, how much America and the American mind influence the entire culture here. It’s mind-boggling it really.

Jessica Baker: Well, I’m glad that you can be an American in Jamaica being like, no, don’t look to America. They are not the best example of where we should be. And capitalism is like ruining the world. And that’s why I hold cannabis so close to my heart. So I’m like, don’t turn into this like a commodity and just like junk and trash and consumerism, that everything else gets turned into, you know, including healthcare with all of our fads and supplements and all this stuff you have to take. So thank you for always bringing it back to nutrition, because that’s where it starts is nutrition.

Lakisha Jenkins: It does, and at the end of the day, we have a system in our body that regulates others. [inaudible] things like digestion, cognitive response function, those types of things. We have a regulatory system that can’t support itself, just like every other state needs to be supplemented nutritionally. We don’t produce enough iron. We don’t produce magnesium at all. We don’t– enough of those vitamins and minerals and amino acids to get it nutritionally. Same thing for the cannabinoid system. We need Phytocannabinoid system supplementation to help support that system that helps support and regulate every other system. Always gonna drive back, nutrition, nutritional supplementation.

Jessica Baker: Absolutely. And we have to wrap it up but tell our listeners where they can contact you and learn more about what you do. And also schedule a consultation with you if they so desire.

Where to Find Them

Lakisha Jenkins: Sure. So everything is on my website with the stuff they’re looking for, it’s drlakisha.com and on all social media – @drlakisha, super simple. If you put Dr. Lakisha all lowercase, all-out no period of punctuation there, you should be able to find me anywhere.

Jessica Baker: And you’re lucky because it’s so hard to find those domain names with your name. I mean, it’s impossible. So it’s like your stuff to Dr. Lakisha, like easy, you know?

Lakisha Jenkins: Yeah. Simply.

Jessica Baker: Yep. Well, I am so glad that you said yes to this interview. And this has been such a pleasure for me. I love to hear you speak. I can’t wait to come to Jamaica and see you. Keep spreading goodness. This is like you like radiate joy and goodness. So I totally appreciate that energy all the time. Thank you so much.

Lakisha Jenkins: You are so welcome. The pleasure is mine. You are one of my heroes. As I said, I appreciate your work and what you do. The ceiling is 100%, [inaudible] So, anything for you if you called me, I was like what I need to hear right now, [inaudible] Thank you for having me. I appreciate it.

Jessica Baker: Definitely, don’t tempt me. I might have to find an excuse. Like why do I need Dr. Lakisha? I need her here. If nothing else, just to cheer me up. So thank you.

Chip Baker: Wow, that was a great hodgepodge episode. Many of you know my love wife. Many of you know Travis, if you know these guys, I’m gonna tell you. They are some of the most requested or noted episodes that people talk to me about. They love to hear about Travis’s newness in ganja and where he’s gone. Many people just love their job. He’s a content writer for the cannabis industry, and then you know my wife, Jessica Baker, is unbelievable beautiful and smart, and just her passion for ganja just comes across in this episode. 

Hey man, I am ready to go to Jamaica right now. I’m going to pack up my bags with all my finest medical cannabis and go take it down to Kingston and do some research with Dr. Lakisha Jenkins. Wow, this has been a great episode, a great time. I’m glad we got to do this; you know summertime is when everyone has vacations and traveling the world looking for fine ganja, or any ganja is just such a great, great part of travel for many, many many stoners. And for medical cannabis patients, sometimes you can’t be so picky about what’s in front of you. You just have to take medicine as you can get it, and sometimes it tastes great, and sometimes it doesn’t taste good at all. And sometimes you pay $80 for two grams worth of weed from a guy in a painted canoe. 

It’s a beautiful world we live in, and things are changing fast, and the access to medical cannabis and the increase in cannabinoid consumption throughout the world will change the way we think and behave and believe. So thank you for joining me. Once again, this is The Real Dirt with Chip Baker, if you liked this episode, or want to listen to some others because you didn’t like this so much. Go to iTunes, download, and subscribe to The Real Dirt with Chip Baker. Hey, and if you need any grow gear, man, check us out, cultivateokc.comcultivatecolorado.com. We’re there to help give Jacob, Jimmy, Chris or Daryl a call, or call me a man maybe I’ll even answer the phone. We’d be glad to chat with you about all your cannabis and growing and technology needs and issues. And yeah, if you’ve got any ideas for episodes Man, just also email, text, phone call, send us smoke signals. Thanks, guys. I appreciate you joining me here. Please tell your friends about The Real Dirt with Chip Baker. The Real Dirt podcast. Later!

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