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The Problems with Planting Clones Outside

Medical cannabis has just been legalized in Oklahoma and is being legalized in more states in the US. And for the first time, more people all over the country are permitted to cultivate their own cannabis.

Now, there are different methods of planting cannabis, planting seeds is definitely one but people have discovered that you can reproduce that specific weed that has certain characteristics or that performs in a certain way that you love using clones. It’s awesome!

It may sound simple but it can be more complicated than you think and a lot of growers are struggling with clones pre-flowering or sunburned. Clones are more photosensitive than seed plants especially the ones that are bred for indoor production which means they need special care.

In this episode, we have back to back to back interviews with some of the outdoor cultivation experts in the industry. We have Jason from Kiskanu, Chris from Cultivate OKC, Brian from Yumboldt Farms and Jeff from Little Hill Cultivators to share their biggest challenges in planting clones outside and tips on how to avoid it.

Stay tuned and learn from the experts on how to strategize your next grow.


Rootbound plants get stressed and they start to trigger no matter what. So you’ll start to get little bud lights on the growth tips and, and that’s just from it being rootbound. So you got to plan and time everything out correctly and if you’re too early, you gotta keep putting it up until it’s ready to go out until it’s planting time. – Jeff


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Some Topics We Discussed Include

3:15 – Reason why people want to grow clones
4:03 – Problems with planting clones
8:15 – Introducing Chris Bane
10:59 – The biggest mistakes in planting clones and how to avoid it
14:47 – Ideal plant size for outdoor and greenhouse
19:56 – Chris’ advice for outdoor growers
23:50 – Key pieces of advice to growers planting clones from Jason
31:20 – Growing the Bubblegum strain
36:37 – What’s new with Kiskanu
39:37 – Planting strategies with Brian from Yumboldt Farms
55:58 – A few tricks from Jeff of Little Hill Cultivators

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Transcript

Chip: This is Chip and you have reached another episode of The Real Dirt. I’m coming to you from a brand new mobile studio in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. That’s right. We are in the fabulous Staybridge Suites today doing our first Oklahoma Real Dirt Episode. That’s right. As many of you may have listened to the last episode, we were shutting down our Denver Real Dirt Studios. I kind of lifted up in the air of what’s happening and we still don’t have a studio. 

I’m going mobile right now. We’re in Oklahoma for the next several months, calling OKC home, getting into the culture and the humidity and we’re just bouncing around from place to place, VRBO, Airbnb, hotel to hotel and it’s not gonna stop me from bringing you some quality quality episodes. 

Oklahoma has just legalized medical cannabis. Several other states Michigan, Illinois, Missouri, California like so many people are going through brand new regulatory times and for the first time ever, people all over the country are able to grow a little bit of ganja for themselves and whether it’s commercial or it’s just an independent and private grow where you’re growing it just for you, is the first time ever that many places and many people have allowed this type of like normal and natural activity of growing cannabis, growing ganja. 

I’ve been involved in growing ganja most of my adult life for a really long time. Many of you heard my inception stories of being exposed to my first bag of weed with seeds in it, and we planted the seeds immediately. I have a lifelong love affair with cannabis and most of that has actually been outside and in greenhouses, even though I don’t discriminate indoor-outdoor greenhouse light up, you know, it’s all fascinating to me and I think it should be to you too. 

So most of this time, it’s all been outdoor cultivation. We moved to Humboldt County in 1997. We’re starting clones at the time in Humboldt. Still, clones weren’t like this predominant way people propagated. Their cannabis plants and I mean, throughout the country, most people still relied on seeds was a much much much much smaller group of people growing ganja back then and mostly the US was still relying on imports from around the world, specifically Mexico to fuel our ganja habits. 

Reasons Why People Want to Grow Clones

In 1997 throughout the country, most people We’re still planting seeds outside and clones are a really relatively new thing for many, many people. Indoors people had heard about it. But you know, planting clones, especially at that time was a new phenomenon and the reason that people want to plant clones is because you have a name brand weed, you have a weed that you know has certain characteristics, you have ganja that performs in a certain way that you like the taste the smell the look the weight of it, and that’s really what people grow clones. And you know, there’s a place for seeds, 100% there’s a place for seeds, that’s where it all starts. 

But you know, many, many people want to grow the clone of Sour Diesel or the clone of Dosey Doe or the clone that’s been selected out of some sort of fino search to be the best clone. And there are historic clones like OG Kush, and Trainwreck and Purple Oracle and it’s just what people want to plant. But there are problems with planting clones outside. 

And 20 years ago 21 I guess it’s more than that. Now. 22 years ago, when we showed up in Humboldt, we had clones and I was already a little experienced on planting clones outside and deep south. The first thing people noticed was like, wow, these clones are going into flower almost as soon as I put them out, you know, and people like look at their– The calendar says June something just May something like, the sun’s out. It’s warm like all the rest of my plants in my garden are growing. Like, why am I having these clones revert might be a word people use or some people use finesse, but I don’t know if that’s quite the right term for it? 

But basically, the clones are really more photosensitive than seed plants, especially the ones that we’ve bred for indoor production. They want to flower under low darkness in the US mostly, you know, 14 and a half hours is about as much light as we get on June 21, which is the solstice. So, you know, if you think about it, it’s like we’re flowering those plants inside at 12 hours of light. It just doesn’t take much to trick that plant into flowering when you put it outside. And there are many contributing factors but one is just the sheer number of hours, the number of darkness there still are in the day and in this episode is kind of the problems with that and how to overcome it. 

We’re going to call up a couple of different people and talk to them about how to plant clones outside. No matter where you are. We’re going to talk to some seed people. We’re going to talk to some clone people, some clone nurseries in Cata get their take on it. You know, this whole episode is really spawned by A couple of Facebook groups I’m involved with a couple of Oklahoma groups and a couple of outdoor cannabis groups. 

And this year more than ever, I have seen people post photos of their plants going into flower because you know, in Florida and Georgia throughout Texas, Oklahoma through Southern California, Missouri, Kansas all over the country like it’s been like decent growing weather. The past several weeks, months even people want to get started, they planted their tomatoes out, they’ve planted their cabbage out, they’re already cutting their grass-like you know, hay fevers in you know, it’s time to plan conjure in their minds, but with clones, it’s a little sensitive, and you should just hold off a little bit. 

We’re going to talk to a handful of people today and we’re going to try to get to the crux of the biscuit on maybe some different ways to deal with planting clones outside, how to deal with them when you plant them out too early and they flower, ways to keep them from flowering when you put them outside. Good time strategies, good planning strategies. So yeah man, stay tuned for this awesome episode of The Real Dirt with Chip Baker fire wanna sit back and enjoy.

Introducing Chris Bane

This is Chip with The Real Dirt. Thanks for joining me today. We got a special day today, we’re going to talk to several people on the phone about how to plant clones outside. Now it sounds kind of easy, but it can be a little bit more difficult than most people think. up first, we have Chris Bane, he’s our manager of Cultivate Oklahoma, Cultivate OKC. That’s our new grow hydroponic shop that we’re opening in the process of opening in Oklahoma City. 

It sounds kind of easy, but it can be a little bit more difficult than most people think. - Chip Baker Click To Tweet

Cultivate Colorado we’ve been around for over 10 years helping people grow throughout the country. And it was such an exciting opportunity in Oklahoma we decided to set up a shop there and when I decided that the big thing about opening up new businesses is all you got to get great, great people in there to help you run it. to be able to talk especially hydrous stores you have to have individuals that can talk about cultivation and all aspects of ganja and it’s really hard to find those people these days because so many of them want to work in cannabis industry directly and touch the plant. 

But I was fortunate enough that a good friend of mine, Chris Bane was was kind of available. Chris has worked with me on and off and a number of years. He worked with me at Royal Gold in those early years. He helped me develop some of my recipes and he really did everything around the plant from bagging product to taking temperatures for compost piles and, you know, great research and developer but you know, Chris is he has a long experience with outdoor cultivation. He’s been involved in outdoor cultivation for 20 years, living off the grid for a number of those years and you know, living off the grid, it really makes you resourceful on how you do things and how you come across things but also living in the heart of the cannabis. 

The Cannabis community in Mendocino County really has propelled him. In Oklahoma, Cultivate OKC can not be more lucky to have somebody like Chris to be able to help our locals there in Oklahoma especially with irrigation drip, outdoor indoor cultivation like technology. Chris is really going to be a great asset. Yeah, here we got him on the line. 

Chris: Hey

Chip: Mr. Bane, how you doing bud? 

Chris: Doing good.

Chip: Coming to me live from Willits, California. So I gave you a brief intro but just to do it again. Yeah, I mean, Chris, longtime friends work together on and off for years and he is moving to Oklahoma as we speak to run our Cultivate OKC?

Chris: Yes.

Chip: Sounds like you got your kid in the background there.

Chris: Oh, yeah.

Chip: Towed him on the farm teaching them drip irrigation?

Chris: Yes, he did.

Chip: So Chris, I know me and you both have been talking about this. And this is kind of why I opened up this episode is so many people are having problems putting out clones right now. And to me and you, we’ve seen this for 20 years, we’ve experienced problems with it for 20 years. And yet that this topic of today’s episode is basically like, how do you plant clones outside?

Chris: That’s a good topic for sure.

Chip: Yes, so complex.

Chris: Planting too early, and not using any light to keep them in vetch. Especially with clones.

Chip: Yeah, they want to flower easily and readily, that’s for sure when you put them out. Yes. You’ve been seeing people do this forever. What’s the number one mistake that they could avoid? And how do they avoid it?

Chris: Oh, I would say planting too early with clones

Inputs too early. 

I would say probably earlier than the 15th of May. In my opinion. I just feel like you’re opening yourself up to diseases and I think that just because they’re really big when you put them out doesn’t mean they’re gonna 

Chip: get bigger

Chris: get bigger. 

Chip: That’s, you know, that’s a great point, man. So many people want this 15-foot tall plant. You’ve heard it and so they like to start in February veg in this thing. And they get a huge in his rootbound and a five-gallon pot and a 10-gallon pot and they go to transplant it outside in May. And we’re even in June, right and it flowers. But on the opposite side of that if you hit a plant just right, same strain. You can put it out just a four or five-inch pot at the right time of year and you get five-pound plant, four-pound plant.

Chris: Sure. Right June 1 planting this weekend, definitely.

Chip: If you had a size that you saw many plants not flower out or the perfect situation to plant them out. Could you pinpoint that?

Chris: It would be one that’s not rootbound, probably in a one-gallon pot just for ease of transplant. The main thing just not being rootbound when you are going out, I think is a good spot to be because it seems like rootbound really helps trigger the early flowering, too.

Chip: So that plan in the one-gallon pot, you know what me and Chris are saying is that you can absolutely get the plant to be two or three, four foot tall in the one-gallon pot, but you should keep it this perfect, like one foot ish, tall plant right. And then and then transplant that out. 

Chris: Sure. 

Chip: So let’s say we train we keep the plant small. We try not to stress and we don’t rootbound them we don’t start too early. What are some of the other keys to planting clones outside?

Keys to Planting Clones Outside

Chris: Oh, probably starting with the most bug-free cleanest clone as possible.

Chip: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

Chris: Which is I’ve even heard some crazy stories this season even involving tissue culture cleanse.

Chip: Share, share 

Chris: All in the chain of custody.

Chip: No matter where you start the plant from a clone or from tissue culture or from seed, you do have to keep it healthy and planting in the right time. Do any plants or any style or any strains do better to plant out early than others or later than others?

Chris: I think for the early stuff, I kind of like getting the stretchier ones out so that they have a better opportunity to initiate in flower when they should scenic for the late plannings, the quicker strains are usually the way to go.

Chip: right the shorter flowering strains. What do you mean about late planting? What do you mean by that?

Chris: I mean going out towards the end of July.

Chip: The planting season for cannabis really is about six to eight weeks between Solstice, from Solstice to August 1 a couple of weeks before Solstice to maybe August 1 that’s the prime cannabis outdoor planting time and you can plant clones out at any size really during this period of time and get substantial size plants. We were talking earlier, what size plant do you think is the most efficient outdoor plant and then maybe what’s the best greenhouse plant size.

Ideal Plant Size for Outdoor and Greenhouse

Chris: I think for outdoor for me personally, late planting and going for five-foot-tall plants might something that is easy to manhandle at the end of the season. Easy to steak up, easy to harvest, easy to hang. You don’t have to break it up into a bunch of pieces to dry. It seems like it gives you a slower dry time, which is nice. This climate especially when it’s not raining a bunch. [inaudible] slow down the dry.

It’s been kind of my favorite the last couple years it seems like the late planting too has higher quality buds usually, looks more like indoor.

Chip: [inaudible] on the stock of the plant. You just have to plan out more. That’s the thing. It’s just you’d have to think about the square footage and how many more plants you’re going to plant now. We’re put about greenhouse you said outdoor What about a greenhouse?

Chris: greenhouse. I like them a little bit smaller, maybe about four feet tall. Besides greenhouses, I use it seems like it’s a good size to still maintain the airflow without it turning into an absolute jam-packed canopy and still move air through it. 

Chip: Sure, because there’s this whole floor to these huge plants. But as soon as you get them in a greenhouse, you just clog up all your airways. 

Chris: Yeah, 

Chip: You’re coming to Oklahoma right now. Yeah, I mean, you’ve been down there the past several months. We’ve been working on opening up the store, but you’re just packing your gear up right now. You’ve been talking to some– you’re from Oklahoma, even. you were born and raised in Oklahoma and you’re making full service back there. Have you spoken to any outdoor growers or greenhouses growers down there and what they’re trying to do and hear what they’re trying to do?

Chris: only a few I definitely see that there’s gonna be a big learning curve for a lot of people. People and red dirt kind of digging out pots in the ground and adding soil.

Chip: yes the wind and the rain that’s going to be the significant problem unbelief. 

Chris: I think so.

Chip: Because many of the legal ganja places our west coast states. You know Colorado is a dry state but all of those states are dry and it might not rain for months and months. In Colorado, it can rain in the summertime a little bit and the wind can pick up especially early. That rain comes down and just breaks all the branches off those big plants if you don’t have them stacked upright and wrong time of the year it comes down soaks your buds, molds it all out.

Chris: Yeah, I think that the wind when the plants start getting heavy, the wind is going to be a big factor along with the rain, I hope people aren’t prepared with a lot of caging or to Nova trellis and it’s gonna take some effort to keep them up. 

Chip: Yeah and that is why I like smaller plants for many reasons one, you get to plant more and I like to see more plants are grown different types of plants and I just like smaller plants but they hold up better. Really

Chris: hey do 

Chip: you know the buds don’t get as big

Chris: ease of maintenance. I think some of the gardens I’ve seen planting, getting planted so far on Instagram seem to be mimicking the old plant count, like big plant style of NorCal and I think they’re missing the boat. They should be going for smaller plants. Maybe even later planting.

Chip: I know, man. There’s this whole allure to like this big big plan. It’s like the American Dream dude big car. Big House. Big plants. Java net link and up the hill. That’s hard, man. You get a jacked-up Prius. And as far better.

Chris: Yes.

I think I think I’d rather be in a hoop right now. Oh, not quite in the ground yet.

Chip: Oh, yeah, this time of year for sure. I mean, I prefer just a week before the solstice, if you’re going to have plants that are, you know, in one gallon or three-gallon pots. I also prefer tall stretchy plants as opposed to short squat plants. If I did have to say you have to plan out early in the year then, man, if you just put out an acclimated clone, first of June, that’s only like six, eight inches tall. Those usually actually do pretty well.

Chris: Yeah, if it’s a stretchy plant going out at that height right now. I would be a big plant by the end of the year. Yeah, we’ve been surprised. 

Chip: Yeah, man. Well, if you got any advice out there for outdoor growers in Maryland, or Oklahoma or Washington or Colorado with regard to clones, what would it be, Chris?

Advice for Outdoor Growers

Chris: I would say it’s not too late. If you have any inclination of getting on the ground this year, get started now, get your clones going. Keep on [inaudible] and get them out there by the end of the month or the end of July.

Chip: Yeah, let’s just start now. Start now.

Chris: Yeah, it’s not too late.

Chip: No, it’s not too late at all, man. It’s not too late at all. Well, thanks, Chris. Man. We expect to see you here in a few days.

Chris: Yes. 

Chip: Oklahomans are out and about want to stop by and chat with Chris he is at cultivateokc.com. That’s at 1101 meridian street that’s on the corner of Northwest 10th and meridian in Oklahoma City. Hey, thanks, Chris. Good luck with the move, man. We’ll see you soon.

Chris: Okay, thanks so much.

Chip: Yeah, Chris is a great guy man. I’m stoked to have him on my team. Wow, he’s just got an eye for the plant and an eye for the technology couldn’t be a better combination. If you’re you’re in Oklahoma and you got some questions just stop by and chat with Chris. 

Jason Miller’s Best Advice

All right, well my next guest Jason Miller, of Kiskanu Farms. He’s a longtime friend of mine. I’ve known Jason since 2002/3/4 maybe. Humboldt County grower. He and his wife Gretchen run Kish canoe farms, and Kish canoe has a wide line of topical cannabis products that are sold all over the US. The CBD line is sold throughout the country and just most recently at Saks Fifth Avenue. And several other major companies are going to come along picking up this brand, as well as their THC line is sold throughout California, lotions, suppositories like they’ve really pioneered the medicinal aspect of topical products. 

They’ve also pioneered growing some really finicky strains. Jason has been growing bubblegum for a number of years. And bubble gums are really photosensitive plants. And it’s a really difficult plant to put outside while it’s a clone. And it’s a prime example of you know why you have specific clones this specific bubblegum comes out really early. does great outside mid-September, you can harvest it, the man it’s really finicky putting it out and we’re going to dial up Jason here and get him on the line. Get him to tell us how it works. All right, hold on. Let me see if I can get him on the phone.

Let’s see if we can get him on the line here. Hey, Jason, are you there? Jason, are you there? Hello.

Humboldt County connection. It’s almost like a tin can might work better? 

Jason: What’s up? 

Chip Baker: Are you there? Jason? Are you there?

Jason: I’m here. Yes. I’m here. 

Chip: All right, excellent. Yeah. It’s almost like we have a tin can stretch from Oklahoma to Humboldt County

Jason: the old coconut wireless.

Chip: Totally man, many people have access to cell phones and it’s so readily easily but Humboldt is one of those places, It’s still a cell phone signal free in so many areas.

Jason: Yeah, our farms. We don’t have any service. So we’re out there. Sure. 

Chip: So yeah, gave you a little introduction, Jason. He’s an old friend of mine and expert and planting clones outside. So I’ve told my audience what’s going on man? is people all over the country right now are planting clones outside for the first time ever they’ve been allowed to, and you know what’s going on? Right? 

Jason: Yeah, people are struggling. I’m sure 

Chip: people are struggling, right. They many of these clones aren’t performing well, they’re going into flower and [inaudible] and I’ll just want to have this episode on like the difficulties of planting clones outside and I’m wondering if you had some advice,

Jason: the best advice I can give you is to keep them happy as much as you can. And you know, this difficult thing when you’re moving on from a comfortable, climate-controlled environment into nature. So for us, we always tried to make it as easy of a transition as we could and you know, make sure that we were moving them into a covered greenhouse for a little while then transition from high-pressure lights to the sun because that can be overwhelming for sure. And then controlling the temperature and just trying to give them a little time to harden off is what we always call it where the plant just adjusts from its cushy, nursery life into a little more rugged environment, I guess if you will.

Chip: the coast. So it might be a little bit easier but it is still difficult. When you’re talking about bringing plants from fluorescence or T-fives or LEDs or even HIDs outside to the greenhouse, they get sunburned or melted. How would you describe that action that happens when they get introduced to sunlight too, too quickly?

Jason: Oh, they burn. Definitely. I think it’s like a severe sunburn. You know, you go from, I guess, gentle, light. Maybe I would liken it from you know, Irish person sitting in the shade in Ireland to sitting on the beach in Jamaica without any shade. pretty harsh. 

Chip: No, Totally. Totally.

Jason: Yeah, they need a little love. We always made sure that we would either set them off under the canopy of the forest to let them kind of get partial sun as they transitioned in and or put them under a greenhouse cover that was translucent and cut out 15% of the sunlight at least just to not overdo it.

Chip Baker: shade cloth or something like that you guys ever [inaudible]

Jason: Yeah we use reemay and shade cloth and all sorts of things you know if it was going just outside for sure if it’s in the greenhouses for us we found that the plastic of the greenhouse provided enough filter.

Chip: Yeah. You know typically what time of year do you bring your cuttings outside

Best Time of the Year to Plant Your Clones Outside

Jason: It depends on the location of the farm for us our old farm we were closer to the coast and had year-round access. And so I would usually try to get it started around early April. 1st of April pretty much was when we’d start and we definitely had to supplement light and heat in our greenhouses to you know, keep the plants from flowering, or freezing. 

So kind of just start to harden them off early for us and then we would try to run multiple turns a year out of our greenhouses. So we were, you know, often moving into our flowering phase by like mid-May, forcing flowering at that point and getting two to three cycles in a year. 

Chip: you experienced putting clones out a couple of different times in the year and have had a few different problems in April. It’s not might not be so hot, but it’s it could be freezing could be snow. Yeah, absolutely. Right. And then like when you put them out again, and so so let’s explain it to everybody. I’ll back up. So what Jason’s doing is he’s taking his clones as plants with what size containers you put these in gallons when you bring them out.

Jason: So yeah, I usually start from a rooted cutting into a three and a half-inch or four-inch pot and I get them jumping in there a little bit. And then I would move them generally to my greenhouse and into one gallon or seven-gallon pots depending on how long they were going to stay in the greenhouse.

Chip: Yes, it’s so much easier to move those three and a half-inch pots. Yeah, you know,

Jason: Yeah. And your roots, you know, you don’t want your plants to get rootbound but you don’t want them to have to go too far to get rooted either. I found that you know, a one-gallon is fine. You can go straight into one gallon with a clone for sure. But I wouldn’t go–

Chip: It just takes a little bit more to transport it.

Jason: Yeah, exactly. So as far as the clandestine, Humboldt stuff that we used to do, we definitely would go from the three and a half to one or seven.

Chip: I never did any of that. You’re transporting your clones your plants now in three and a half or four-inch pot in April into the greenhouse. You transplant them up and then you have to heat it in the light it because of the light cycle so low,

Jason: Right? Yeah, depending on where you are, geographically. You know, for us, even that spring sun, the lumens are so low compared to what you get in the late season. In that, often we would have, you know, stretch here unless kind of stacked node formation on our flowers. So it ends up being a little lighter and a little more spaced out than our later season runs but still worth doing.

Chip: But this case, you’re not relying on natural light necessarily to flower the plants. You’re decking it with a black curtain of some sort. And this way, you’re gonna pull multiple times a year, right? That’s what that’s what’s going on. Even though you might like pull your first crop early in the summer, you generally also would put some cuttings out for full season we’d call it How would you bring those out.

Jason: Similar to the other clones they would come out into the nursery harden off in the nursery in a one or a seven-gallon pot, just kind of give them a chance to adjust. And often I would find that you know, depending on how cold it is and how the sun is For that transition period, anywhere from like four days to two weeks where the plants kind of stall out a little bit and harden off and when that happens you can see the transition from like the stress that it puts on the plant to the vibrant green health of an outdoor cannabis plant. So there’s nothing like the sunshine for growing a plant obviously. Indoor farmers might disagree but at the end of the day when you see a healthy cannabis plant in the sun. You know for a fact that it’s absolutely the best.

There's nothing like the sunshine for growing a plant obviously. Indoor farmers might disagree but at the end of the day when you see a healthy cannabis plant in the sun, you know for a fact that it's absolutely the best. - Jason Miller Click To Tweet

Chip: yeah changes completely growth patterns man like thin leaves indoors, you put them outdoors and when they start to actually grow like an outdoor plant, they will have like fat leaves, right or tall plants will become short, short plants will become taller. The sun is Amazing, that’s for sure. And it definitely transforms, you know, plants. You pioneered bubblegum and you’re well known for that one. Throughout Humboldt County and in Northern California, you guys, you guys did that for a long, long time. Bubble gum is a really sensitive plant. Right? It flowers easily when you put it outside.

Is there like a certain date or procedure that you would have with light cycles or fertilizer to get them not to flower when they went outside under just normal natural light?

Growing the Bubblegum Strain

Jason: I mean, often I would shoot for the solstice, I guess if I wanted to be 100% certain that you know, things were going to be fine. So if I was gonna bring them out before then which we often did, I would make sure they were in the nursery, and we had even a doesn’t have to be a high-intensity light, just enough light to keep the plants from flowering.

Chip: What type of lights you guys use for that because you guys are off-grid right? 

Jason: Yeah, we were off the grid. We would use what we refer to them as string lights, essentially, they’re you know, it’s 100 foot long run of the high lumen, I guess it’s like 150 watts per bulb. So it’s only like 1500 watts for a 100-foot run, that would keep a whole greenhouse from flowering. And so we would run those string lights through the house, one or two of them, depending on, you know, how packed the house was. And that would be enough. So when the sun dropped behind the ridge for us, we could kick those lights on and keep them on until, you know, 10 o’clock at night or whatever the natural light cycle would be at the peak of the summer solstice, and then your plants will stay in their vegetative cycle and be agreeable. 

So for us often, like somewhere near the summer solstice, we would make our transition outside and not worry about it anymore. At that point, when they start flowering on their own. That’s when you want them to usually So you know they would often get out around mid-June and go until August before they start flowering generally. for the bubblegum and certain strains, they would go a little earlier which for us was great because we were close to the coast and the fog line, which is that we get done earlier.

Chip Baker: later on in the summertime, when you have in your second light depth crop, are you also using those string lights to increase the vegetative period of your second crop?

Jason: The natural light is enough to do it, you know, once your plants are not going into flower on their own outside, they were also not going to do it in the nursery for us and unless we were trying to do a late run, which, you know, depending on where you are in the options there and for us, we experimented with lots of different options, but for us, we found the late run didn’t really pan out.

Chip: Sure, yeah, if you get that right spot, dude. Late runs awesome,

Jason: Grass Valley, you know somewhere more inland that has a longer season. I think, then you might want to continue to run your string lights or your supplemental lighting in order to keep your plants from flowering until you’re ready for them to go. So, because definitely having, you know, had plants that went into flowering and trying to bring them back out [inaudible] really, really wonky. It has never worked out from what I’ve seen. So I would say you’re better off not trying to go back once they go unless you just need to save the genetics and then it’s a little different ballgame.

Chip: Yeah, it’s absolutely a struggle. I’ve told people more than once when they put their plants out, say like two weeks ago, and they stall, they start to flower they wonder what to do and my solution is always just, you know, either cut them down and start over cut them all the way down to just a nub and hit them hard with some nitrogen and cross your fingers.

Jason: Yeah,

Chip: because you can’t there’s just no way one way to do it for sure.

Jason: no, and I’ve tried it, we’ve, you know, when we were first getting going and stuff we had, you know, people give us extra things they had or whatever. And they were already into that flowering cycle and trying to bring them back out and go back in. It just turned into this just larvae, massive mold by the end of it all, really so. So yeah, I think you’re better off following the plant as far as that goes. If it’s time for the plant to flower, don’t argue.

Chip: Interesting story. And I’m here in Oklahoma, right? We’re open up a bunch of stuff down here right now. And I was talking to a guy about seeds. We were chatting on the internet, on Facebook, just about like the local genetics, and I’m interested so I’m like, Hey, what are some of the local genetics What’s the best thing to grow around here? And this one guy chimes in and he’s like, the best thing I ever found was, I got some bubblegum from Humboldt 2004 to 2006. There were a couple of seeds in it. and man we grew that for years. That was the best Oklahoma stray.

Jason: Sounds about right.

Chip: Yeah, no, it’s cannabis plants moved on moves all over the world and cannabis and coconuts, they’ve definitely circumnavigated the world. 

Jason: Oh, yeah. It’s one of those things with this planet where I think for some of us, it’s been a lifestyle as much as anything. And you know, certainly, the counterculture that surrounds it has been, I feel like I serve the planet as much as it serves me at this point in life. So it’s an interesting dynamic for sure.

Chip: what’s going on with you guys. I briefly let my audience know how dynamic Kiskanu was. Tell me what’s new with you?

What’s New with Kiskanu

Jason: Well, we’re trying to make this transition from the Humboldt world into legal cannabis and we’re here in Humboldt we had to sell one of our farms to make it work and we purchased a building in Eureka, where we’re doing many Manufacturing, non-volatile manufacturing, and mainly infused topical products and packaged flower. 

So we’re doing a bunch of pre-rolls and packaging, sun-grown flower there as well as, you know, trying to network with local farmers up here and help them find a path to market and just kind of try to help our community up here to make this transition and keep a leg up in this corporate cannabis world that’s coming at us faster than anybody could have anticipated. 

So a lot of its just kind of trying to help Humboldt make this transition into legal cannabis and still stay relevant. And we’re also hoping to open a dispensary at our building here and do like an on-site consumption lounge. And that’ll put us with full vertical integration. We have our farm we still cultivate on and then the manufacturing, distribution, and retail at the building and we’re working with a large distributor who’s getting us around the state. 

We’re just trying to produce high-quality sun-grown cannabis with a conscience. And then we have our CBD line going as well and we just went into Saks Fifth Avenue into a CBD pop up there a couple of months ago and that’s exciting and yeah just lots of new things bubbling for us with that so just trying to make products with ingredients that you can read and understand everything that’s in it and feel good about putting it on your body, in your body and everywhere in between.

Chip: Oh man that’s that sounds awesome man. I’ve been really enjoyed following you guys and we always love seeing our friends do really well. Hey, where can our listeners follow you guys? You guys are on Instagram and Facebook and stuff, right?

Connect with Jason Miller

Jason: Yep, we’re on Instagram @kiskanu and Kiskanu Farms both and then on our website for our CBD products is kiskanu.com and our other site for cannabis is kiskanucannabis.com, you can find us on there. We have all our locations where we’re available for sale in the state of California in the legal market. On the other site. We’re trying to keep it updated with where we’re available outside of California for the CBD. So, yeah, check us out and look forward to getting our products out there. 

Chip: I definitely will. And I look forward to seeing you guys we got those direct flights from Denver to Arcada now, so hopefully, I’m gonna be back more and more.

Jason: Yeah, I look forward to a chip.

Chip: Hey, always good chatting with you, Jason. Thanks, man. Yeah, really? Thank you really gonna help some people grow some weight this year. 

Planting Strategies With Brian From Yumboldt Farms

Chip: Hey, what’s up, Brian? 

Brian: What’s up, Chip?

Chip: A totally ambushed you there did not. 

Brian: Yeah. 

Chip: Hey, I want everybody to introduce to Brian from Yumboldt Farms. Brian’s one of my oldest grow bros and he has extensive experience planting clones outside. Brian so many people are having problems planning clones outside because it’s their first time growing outdoors and I know you are an expert at clones and planting them outside.

Brian: Yeah man, I use shade or shade cloth.

Chip: All right. So use shade cloth or you use reemay? 

Brian: 20% shade cloth usually. 20 or 30% 

Chip: Tell us what you do there.

Brian: Well, we grow tons of good ganja.

Chip: Tons of ganja man.

Brian: Yeah. I got a late start this year. So we’re planting a lot of plants really close together. 

Chip: What’s your planting strategy?

Brian: Well, we’ve got beds, we’ve got pots, we’ve got a little bit of everything. But right now we’re running about a foot and a half apart, flip in here in the next couple days.

Chip: So you’re also light dabbing, you’re also in greenhouses.

Brian: Yeah, we’re in greenhouses light dabbing, and we’re getting our full seasonal outside.

Chip: Now, tell me how you get these clones outside and you keep them from flowering.

Brian: Well, we use light. 

Chip: There you go for a full season and light them.

Brian: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we’re still running lights on everything. We’re just now transitioning some of our some of the Sativas aren’t as light-sensitive. So we got them outside without lights, any of the Indicas which most of our full-season are a little shorter season. So most of them are a little lean a little more towards Indica. 

Chip: Let’s talk about strains. You know, I don’t like that Indica Sativa bullshit 

Brian: Well, while the shorter season stuff is more light-sensitive.

Chip: Sure. Which strains are those?

Brian: you know, we’re growing a lot of the commercial stuff, Wedding Cake, SFV, Straight OG, Old school OG, I’ve got some of my own strains, the banana strain I’ve been working on super high THC. We’ve got some of the Mac crosses Mac, talking about it. I’ve got a bunch of crosses that I made over this winter. going to have a variety but for the most part, a lot of commercial strains like SFV and wedding cake and Girl Scout Cookie. 

Chip: do you find any strains are more susceptible to flowering when you put them outside under natural light? Or you guys just always add light? how does it work?

Brian: For sure, some of them are more sensitive. Also seems like when you let the plants get root bound, they want to flower, they want to pre flower. So that little stresses, tend to make them want to pre flower. Now I think it’s safe to move about everything outside. We’ve been cutting the lights down to just like an hour or two at night. So that we don’t go from 24 hours to 15 because they like the flower when you do that as well

Chip: totally so you take your cuttings at 24 hours then you veg them inside at 24 hours and then bring them out or– you guys buy cuttings? right cuz you got to off-grid farm? 

Brian: Yeah, yeah, yeah we buy all over cuttings, various companies, dark car, Mendocino clone company, no then also taking care of some of our own. We took some of our own of our of just our own strains but since we got such a late start we just bought about 6000 plants

Chip: late start Are you because you do try to get an early dep. Do you have your first dep going now?

Brian: We’re going to start pulling tarps tomorrow or the next day. Right? Okay. We thought we have five greenhouses for dep that will be doing a second run in. Everything else is considered just Fall season one run.

Chip: right so so you debit for it’ll dip in June in July and then in August you put more clones back in but then you do run lights then?

Brian: I already have my full season plants. So full season usually we go a little bit bigger they’re going to be probably to about two-foot spacing except for our full sun outdoor is in 150-gallon pots. So we already have those going and they’re already in one gallon you know outgrow one gallon ready to go outside. But yeah, so So yeah, we run lights, just rope lights, six-watt bulbs, six-watt LED bulbs. 

Chip: Do you turn that on after the night has come or what’s your strategy there? Do you increase the daylight naturally or do you let it get dark and then you turn them on again

Brian: It’s so low wattage that we have the money even during the day just so that we don’t forget to plug him in at night.

Chip: because all your stuff is solar and generator powered.

Brian: So right now we’re running fans and everything. It’s hot today. 60 watts for 100-foot stretch [inaudible] 

Chip: until you just let them run a couple of hours after dark, and then you shut it off 

Brian: right now we’re running them only except for up in like smaller clones, we still are running, you know, 20 hours or 24 hours or whatever. But any well-established plants, we just run a couple of hours of a day. So and then also so that when they stop getting light, they don’t want to go into flower. It’s not a huge shock to cut him down two hours of light. It seems like if you have 24 hours light and then you go to 15 it’ll flower. If you have 17 hours of light, you go to 15 it won’t.

Chip: Yeah, right. And some strains are a little more sensitive than others.

Brian: For sure, for sure. You know, SFV you always get a little pre flower. I don’t know why. It’s just one of those things. Not really enough. They’re not really flowering, but you can see hairs and that’s just one of those strains that are kind of sensitive that way. And then you know, like a blueberry muffin you got to keep light on it until it goes outside. Basically, you put it outside it just starts flowering 

Chip: totally so you put it out at Solstice I guess 

Brian: I’m not growing any blueberry muffin this year. I was just using that as an example. That’s one of the reasons I’m not growing it’s actually too short of a strain You know, it finishes around October 1. So which is nice, but yeah, like they don’t get that big. It’s a little loose. It’s not like rain. I love the flavor but no, I like to grow weight. Now with the legal market, you got to have high THC. So all the strains were growing this year are high THC. I know that I can get it over 20% you know, soil, outdoor, whatever. However, we grow it blueberry muffin and a couple of those strains seem to be a little weak on the THC those a lot of the purple strains and stuff seemed to be.

Chip: a purple nova

Brian: pretty to look at but you know it seems like the legal industry is very THC oriented which is unfortunate but true.

Chip: It is, man. you know people just I’ve said this story again but I’ll tell you you know going to a dispensary and I’m looking for some weed it was OG Wi-Fi or something and they were out. I knew they happen to have good products so I went there you know they were out in the budtenders like oh, but we have this jack care that’s also 27% you’ll like it and it’s like Dude, it’s totally fucking different.

Brian: Yeah, no different flavors different everything 

Chip: different flavor different high like all of it and you know, THC levels cannabinoid levels do not tell the whole story. That’s for sure. You know, we’re smoking some purple punch. That’s probably was only 29%. Oh no, man. It did not feel like 29%.

Brian: Yeah, a lot of people are growing that this year.

Chip: Great weed. Oh man, it tastes great. Looks great. It’s fun to grow. It’s pretty good weed. 

Brian: Yeah, it’s beautiful 

Chip: frosty crystally. Hey, do you have any favorite things you’re growing right now, Brian?

Brian: My strawberry banana cross is super badass like it’s close to 30% that’s just outdoor commercial, not doing anything special. And it’s heavy. So that’s one of my favorites. But you know how it is. Oh, it’s great. 

Chip: No shit no it’s not 

Brian: different strains each have their own special thing too

Chip: I’ll say that each train has its own special quality

Brian: like one might smell good and doesn’t smell quite as good. One might get you stoned or it doesn’t smell quite as you know, I don’t know it’s just all over. We spent a lot of time and money over the winter. Growing winter crops and amending our soil and really prepping it for this year. I’ve never done in 30 something years of growing, who’s really building the soil and turning it and you know, just getting it really dialed in, tilling the winter crops in and so it’s we’ve come a long way as far as building the soil as opposed to the old hydroponic days where you just use rock wall and bottle now that we’re growing at it big, better and for the legal market, we’ve really worked on the soil.

Chip: Yeah, I mean, he outdoors greenhouse, working on the soil, if you got no bugs, you got no problems, you can reuse the soil, you build your soil, and you really can have great results with very, very little money and this is coming from a guy who sells growth care.

Brian: A lot of our plants we haven’t added any new, it’s no tear or anything even. we’re just still plain water. So really, really stoked on the advances we’ve made in building our soil and the information that’s available on the internet and a lot of companies are offering it. We went to Soil Scape Solutions. They did all of our soil tests. It’s super informative. Whereas before, it’s more of a guessing game. You’re out here way in the middle of nowhere, you use what you think is right. Now, there’s a lot of information on the internet and through really soil experts, like yourself, it’s a lot easier for a beginner grower or even an advanced grower.

Chip: Oh, man, you would never listen to me. What do you mean, dude?

Brian: You know, I’ve seen you screw up so much.

Chip: Totally, totally.

Brian: But that’s how we learn.

Chip: That is how we learned we both had some screw-ups back in the day. That’s for sure. You anticipate some more coming in the future but like, yeah that’s farming.

Brian: I’ll have plenty plenty plenty of screw-ups this year and I’ll learn from every one of them though so that just makes next year that much better.

Chip: So man Brian, I gotta ask like, like, what have you gotten any schnauzer to train to combat the squirrel problem?

Brian: Well, no, we’re caging in all of our outdoor plants. the root balls, the stems, the stalks, everything, which I have done in the past. And it worked great. Last year, we got a little lazy because we hadn’t had any big problems. But I realized the reason we didn’t have problems because we worked so hard to prevent the problems. We didn’t work hard enough to prevent the problems with rodents last year, and we lost a lot of plants and I spent a lot of time with my pellet gun. 

So this year No, we’re wrapping all of our outdoor plants in hardware cloth and or chicken wire, the root ball make it come out of the soil a little bit wrap the stock with the wire up to about you know eight inches up from the stock soil so that malls gophers, squirrels, whatever gets thirsty can’t chew on that stock or can’t dig up the roots.

Chip: Yeah, man it’s not as easy as people think that’s for sure.

Brian: I mean, how would anybody know that it was you just lost a bunch of plants last year

Chip: for those of you don’t know Brian called me up last year freaking out and he wasn’t the only guy I got like three different phone calls like holy shit, man. What do I do for squirrels man they are invading I’m like well get a pellet. There are hundreds of squirrels there’s no way a pellet gun gonna solve this problem.

Brian: And we killed a lot of them and I didn’t really feel that good about it. We did it in the hopefully humane way but we definitely don’t want to use any poison or anything like that. So it’s unfortunate that we had to take that route but this year I don’t look around to kill anything. We’re gonna just keep the plants healthy and the stock secure in a cage. 

Chip: We’re gonna kill it. You’re gonna kill it, Brian.

Brian: Yeah, no everything. Surprisingly, we weren’t gonna grow. We had to farm for sale. And then you know, the prices were good. I’ve got all the licenses. And everyone’s like, You’re stupid. What are you doing? And here I am growing again. somehow we’re full looking great. Like we started, like five weeks ago. In we’re already about to depth. We’re looking solid.

Chip: Awesome man. Yeah, Hey, hey, Brian. Thanks. Thanks for taking my ambush phone call, man. I just call it Oh, yeah. Like who will talk to me about clones. Brian. Well, hey, Brian. How can my listeners get follow you get in touch with you? You’re on it. Instagramming on Facebook.

Brian: Well, you know, actually we’re just getting our Instagram going because I was working on trademarks it’s kind of stay a little bit secret. So now my trademarks have been granted so we’ll be launching our Instagram and Facebook. Even though we do have one I think we have it secret. Oh, okay, we just made it unsecret

Chip: make it unsecret right now some of my followers can go to. What’s it? What is it? 

Brian: It’s Yumboldt Farms that’s on Facebook and on Instagram it’s Yamboldt Farms too. 

Chip Baker: So go to stop what you’re doing right now, listeners, my friends. Go to Instagram, pick up your phone and befriend Yumboldt Farms spelled with a YUMBOLDT Farms. Yeah. Brian, thanks. Thanks for chatting with me man. Tell Amy and everybody else on the hill I said hello.

Brian: I will for sure, man

Chip Baker: And you have fired up one of those good ones for me man. fire point and sweet ones for me

Brian: well we got to get together fire one up together, don’t we?

Chip Baker: Oh soon enough man. They’ve got direct flights from Denver to humble now so I’m gonna be there much more often.

Brian: Nice. Well, looks this up. Let’s hang out and puff one. 

Chip: hey, we will man thanks again bro

Brian: all right bro 

Planting Tricks from Jeff of Little Hill Cultivators

Chip: all right so you guys have all heard from my good buddy Jeff of Little Hill Farms there in Trinity county Jeff has planned dozens and dozens of strains out over the years indoor outdoor light DEP Let’s give him a call and see what he has to say. Hello Hey man, we’re just having a good time today calling up my friends talking about putting clones outside and the difficulties of it. I know you’re a good person to chat about.

Jeff: There are a few tricks. I guest things to be aware of where you want to start.

Chip: Oh, yeah, right, right. Where shall we start? Well, hey, man, I’ll tell you what spawned this conversation is, you know, I’m opening up a bunch of stuff down here in Oklahoma. And I’m on a handful of Facebook groups of cannabis growers throughout the country in the world and cannabis growers in Oklahoma and a major problem people are having are clones going out too early, and they flower. So my conversation today is like strategies to plant clones out so that they transition into healthy plants whether it’s light dep greenhouse or a full season.

Jeff: Yeah, I guess it probably depends on latitude but you need you’re gonna want to check your light time, your light our daylight hours and you know, 15 – 15.5 hours a light, you know, I guess if you go to I can’t really speak on Oklahoma or down south, but it’s like Santa Barbara. Yeah. Well, I can’t speak for Santa Barbara either. 

Chip: Sharon there but it’s only about an hour. 12 minutes difference in light on salsas or something.

Jeff: Yeah. So I guess it’s pretty similar no matter where you are unless you’re in Alaska or Maine or something.

Chip: Yeah, see, I feel bad then in like Georgia and Florida, South Georgia in Florida, Texas. It’s a little different down there too.

Jeff: Yeah, 15 – 15 and a half hours of sunlight. You don’t want to shock them. When you put them out. You want to turn their light hours down. If you’re growing them indoors, turn them down to 16 hours. And I’ve always had pretty good luck here just going from 16 hours of light to just putting them outside with no supplemental lighting. Hmm. And that’s that always worked for me.

Chip: So no supplemental lighting just like vegging them inside under 16 hours of light and then just and then just put them out.

Jeff: Yeah, or vegging them in an in a greenhouse. And giving them a little extra light at night to like, say 930 10 and then growing them in there and And then when you’re ready to put them out say around the first week of June like right now, I usually waited out here at 3200 feet I usually wait until the second or third week of June just because of the elevation can bring some cold temperatures at night 

Chip: how big of these plants when you tip your best plan that you would like in the best circumstance you put out June 1 How big is it what type of container is it in?

Jeff: I always liked a nice like routed out, you know two to four-gallon pot. not that big. It’s important that you got a good root ball. But you know the plants you know anywhere between a foot and two feet high. And it’s important that you don’t let the plant get rootbound in its pot before you put it into the final home. Maybe you got like a 400-gallon pot to put it in or 100-gallon pot or 1000 gallon pot, whatever. 

Chip: You’re doing large plants for your full season.

Jeff: I did more. Yeah.

Chip: Yeah. So are you all light dep for greenhouse right now? side note.

Jeff: all light up. Okay,

Chip: so we’re back to a full season.

Jeff: Yeah, you don’t want to put a rootbound plant out. rootbound plants get stressed and they start to trigger no matter what. So you’ll start to get little bud lights on the growth tips and, and that’s just from it being rootbound. So you got to plan and time everything out correctly and if you’re too early, you got to keep putting it up until it’s ready to go out until it’s planting time and you know, you’re gonna, you’re gonna end up putting a flowering plant out if you keep it in that you know that two-gallon container too long. 

So the timing on that’s really important. Not shocking them with cutting off their daylight or their light hours too fast. Genetics also comes into play a little bit. I know a lot of us have grown Mendocino Purple and crosses of it. And they’re hard to keep in veg, they want to flower. They pretty much flower out in my greenhouse with any amount of light less than 24 hours and it’s kind of actually kept me away from a lot of those plants. [inaudible] I love them.

Chip Baker: I found my best success with those types of plants is to actually just put a just a rooted cutting out June 1, just small.

Jeff: Yeah, just if it’s small and you took the cut and it was completely in veg and not giving it any type of stress at all. Yeah, that would definitely be the way to do it to make sure it didn’t trigger early on. Yeah, because if they trigger early on you, your best bet is just to pull them and replant. 

Chip: Cut the shit down and start over. 

Jeff: Yeah, it’s gonna be a zero or you’re gonna grow a four-ounce plant that should have been a four-pound plant. Right? Right. And you can really plant later they’ll probably reach whatever their limiting factor is they’ll reach it. You know, even if you have to plant July. What do you consider the planting season, you know, the first week of June 2 week of June until I mean, you could plant in, you know, beginning of September if you had to. 

Chip: Yeah, absolutely. 

Jeff: Or we or replant? Maybe you got some gaps in your canopy or lost a plant or two.

Chip: Yeah, so it’s not too late you can put any size plant out between June 1 and September 1 and most of the country and get some result

Jeff: and if you’re planting late, it’s best to put out a late finisher so it has time to still veg out and stretch and, and fill the space

Chip: you know, it’s interesting. I’ve talked to a few different people about late planting today and some people like stretchers and some people like short non-stretchers for their late planting Can you give any insight into that?

Jeff: Well as a short non-stretcher like an Oracle or even a Mac one or a lemon tree or just some real Indica dominant maybe like a Bubba Kush. They’re not going to get that big and they’re gonna trigger almost as soon as you put them out, so you’re not gonna get a whole lot there, but if you put out something that’s a late-season plant like a Sour Diesel, or Wedding Cake, or OG Kush, they’re going to continue to veg for a little while and continue to stretch before they actually stopped sort of growing in size and start to bud, you’ll fill your space and you’re going to end up with a much bigger plant in a better yield with a late planting like that.

Chip: Yeah, I’m still going to substantial size plant. Yeah, you’ve been doing this a long time, Jeff and you keep your eyes open you don’t really study the cannabis plant. Can you say that there’s like a handful of mistakes people make or that you’ve seen people make when they when they first start out with outdoor ground in regard to outdoor grounds?

Jeff: They used too small pot, and that thing’s rootbound by the end of June, and it starts flowering early. And I maybe you want that. I mean, that’s also kind of a, you know [inaudible]

Chip: With the right strain it’s a strategy. I mean, I was talking to the Bubblegum guy earlier and like, you could do that with Bubblegum and then pull it in August.

Jeff: And that’s a good way to kind of beat the market and pull down a summer crop, you know, get you in the block before, you know without pulling tarps before the flood hits. So there’s definitely some strategies there for it. But I would say, people, you know, they think they’re going to grow a 10-pound plant, they end up with, you know, up to the six-pound plant. Yeah, because it just gets rootbound. Another thing I’ve seen people do twice is they’ve got some type of house light, or maybe an outdoor light – security lights or a neighbor’s security light, they keep it on, you know, and it’s, you know, it’s into September and their plant isn’t flowering yet and they’re wondering what’s going on, and the season is ending and they still, they still need another three months of flowering or two months of flowering, but they end up with nothing. So being aware of the, you know, sort of light pollution is about big thing could be a street lamp I mean who knows people a lot of people [inaudible]

[inaudible] backyard yeah absolutely you guys shoot those street lamps out 

Chip: now no you just said– that’s totally Humboldt, Mindo, Trinity style right there tear down the street– shoot down the streetlights, not that you guys have any street lights in Trinity County

Jeff: definitely no streetlights

Chip: or stoplight. no there’s a stoplight there now

Jeff: it’s a stop sign. it’s not a stoplight. Stop sign with a red flashing light on

Chip: [inaudible] corrected no stoplights in Trinity and people are gonna ask this immediately on my Instagram or website. Well, what about the moonlight? How does a full moon affect it? It’s that gonna keep it you know, flowering? That’s one of the questions we get all the time you know, you know,

Jeff: It’s not. that’s how the plant evolves with the moon you know, so it doesn’t really have an effect in my opinion. I’ve always liked it when there’s a full moon out right when I plant just to help them plant from triggering like a little extra light. I’ve never had a problem so whether it helped or not like I didn’t always have a full moon when I was planting but I kind of liked it. the plant evolves with the moon out every month so it’s not going to have an effect. I think when you look at the intensity of the sun and compare it to moonlight it the plants probably just reading dark you know it can’t pick up the subtlety of the moonlight, it’s the same as being dark.

Chip: Yeah, I think plants a little bit smarter than we give it credit for because you can go out into a fully lit moon one of those like fall moons when you know it’s really close to the earth and totally see everything clearly out there in the middle of nowhere, but the plants they still know to stay asleep to keep flower.

Jeff: Yeah, and then the moon’s not always up all night. It’s the same thing with holes and your light depth tarp-like if they’re just a couple of pinholes no big deal because you know it’s gonna be dark and you know, a couple of hours after you pull tarp anyway So right it’s really a big shiny light blast and you know straight through the greenhouse that’s a problem but just pinholes no big deal. We have a mutual friend that blew my mind how many pinholes he had in his old cover and no problems.

Chip: just stop talking about me. now we can use that tarp another year we fine

Jeff:  yeah one more year. just put some duct tape on that rip there

Chip: totally fine. Fine, fine. So, man, off subject what puts good out there man. What kind of good strains are we smoking this year? What do you see for the marketplace in California strain wise?

Jeff: I don’t know right now they’ll take whatever they can get. untrimmed, Larf, whatever, they don’t care. There’s no weed and there’s been no weed out here for months. it’s an unexpected drought and prices are up and there’s a lot of different factors attributed to that. I’m going away from Wedding Cake that I’ve been growing last few years great strain been really good to me but now all the nurseries have it. 

Everybody’s growing a couple of greenhouses of it, it’s a huge producer. I don’t want to come down with the same strains as everybody else and once those big nurseries that pump the clones out start producing stuff. It’s just now everybody has it so now I don’t have anything different I don’t have anything exciting and I got to compete with some 40-acre greenhouse down in Salinas that’s pumping out the shitty Wedding Cake. Man, I’m going back to an old trusted and true OG Twist. 

Chip: Oh man. OG Twist that’s so good. 

Jeff: Around the farm here like we like smoking the flavors but like nothing has the kick that OG Twist buzz and it always test high and that I mean that’s what the consumer wants right now. They think they get more value with higher THC percentages. It’s a great plant and I’ve been growing it seven years now off and on I didn’t grow much last year.

Chip: man, that makes me happy. that’s one that really is one of my favorites trains you guys grow.

Jeff: Yeah, it’s great weed. It’s great weed and I mean I wish I could grow some of the flavors that I enjoy smoking more but I knew I need to grow stuff with those THC numbers. And like you like every year you know, trying out a couple of new things. I never grew GMO before and I know that’s fairly popular and I think a lot of people don’t grow it because it takes so long to flower so I’m kind of deciding to bite the bullet

Chip: What’s long?

Jeff:  11 weeks 

Chip: 77 days when does it come outside? 

Jeff: I don’t know.

Chip: Okay, you’re gonna find a Halloween. Halloween GMO. It’s great weed. I love it, man. We all love it.

Jeff: As far as new stuff some Slurricane, NF1. What else do we get that’s new? Ice cream cake, I got inaudible] we had some lower branches kind of trigger on us so we got to get us a [inaudible]. It smells spectacular.

Chip: Oh man, that’s great, dude, I’m really looking forward to it. I’ve been talking to a few other humble Trinity people today and man, I just really look forward to coming and smoke and some of that awesome West Coast organic light depth and greenhouse man.

Jeff: It should be a good year. I don’t know if you can hear the thunder cracking in the background but not you can’t plant too early. You got to know your climate. One hard freeze, one hail storm and blow [inaudible]

Chip: Well man, thanks for chatting with me today. I always appreciate chatting with you, Jeff. You’re a shining light and a beacon into the cannabis world. Thank you

Jeff: right on. Talk to you later.

Chip: later, bud. Well, there you have it. That’s right. expert advice seems to all agree and says don’t transplant out huge plants. Don’t let your plants be rootbound and don’t put your plants out too early, clones. Anyway, seeds totally different subjects and maybe we’ll approach that in the next week of The Real Dirt. But for now, man if you’ve got clones and you’re ready to put them out, time is now man you’re fixing hit it and hit it hard and just remember you’ve got the planting season of June, July and in many places August as well. But for most of America, June 1 August 1 is Primo planting season. 

Now if you planted some plants out already and they flowered. Don’t worry, just cut those suckers down. If you planted those plants out and they flowered, don’t worry, just buy some new clones, or you can’t buy any new clones. And, you know, just cut them down to just a sprig. And I know it seems crazy man stick a four-foot plant and you cut it down to just like six nodes, one or two branches. But the root systems of those things are so big that they’ll really just take over. 

And I’ve actually seen some of the hugest plants that don’t have fucked up Ronnie buds by doing this and as a matter of fact, as it’s some people’s even strategy, I would recommend staying away from that and putting the perfect plant that size perfectly. That has no stress out, at the perfect time and I believe the perfect time to plant clones out throughout the country is about June 15 to June 21. And you can put clones out then of all strains. And for the most part, they’ll veg out and you’ll be able to have a nice normal sized plant. And you won’t have these fucked up one leaf runny bud looking things because you got excited jumped the gun and put your clones out too early. 

So thanks again for joining me on this episode of The Real dirt podcast. I really love talking about weed and growing weed. I’m so thrilled when I run into people that I don’t know. And they talked to me about the podcast and how it’s helped and changed what they’re doing and how they’re approaching growing. And do you have any questions? If you have anything you want to say? Just join us on our Real Dirt Instagram. You can also check us out at therealdirt.com and on our Facebook group. Please, please drop us a line if there’s something you want to hear, there are some subjects you want us to talk about. And hey, maybe we’ll do just that. 

Anyway, thanks for joining me. I know you got better things to do than listen to me babble but you’re interested in growing ganja and you want it to propel yourself and you should do that. If you’re not planting now cannabis right now you should plant out some cannabis you should get some seeds, you should get some clones in your legal state, your legal medical cannabis and exercise your rights. If you’re in Oklahoma and you’re one of the over 100,000 people that now have a legal medical cannabis license. Man, go put six plants in your backyard, go put six plants in your basement, go put six plants in your spare bedroom, go put six plants in your bathroom and grow your own, man. It’s a really beautiful thing to watch the cannabis plant growth and as I’ve said before, I’m not sure if we cultivate the plant or if cannabis cultivates us. Thanks again. Join me on our next episode of The Real Dirt with Chip Baker.

 

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