Jared Mancinelli is the Chief Content Officer and Co-Founder of Cannabis Law Digest. He is an appellate lawyer and public defender who got into documenting legal developments in the cannabis industry to help people who are going into the industry and, in part, to further the goal of legalization.
In this episode, Jared tackles the economic impacts of Covid-19 and whether or not cannabis is a recession-proof industry. Learn about the different ways to get involved in the space and a relatively low-cost resource to stay in-the-know of what’s going on legally nationwide.
The cannabis industry I think will weather the storm somewhat better than a lot of other industries. – Jared Mancinelli
Some Topics We Discussed Include
3:02 – Jared’s background and how he ended up in the cannabis space
5:37 – Cannabis Law Digest: a central point of reference about cannabis
6:21 – Three ways to get involved in the industry
13:08 – The best place to start a new business
24:33 – Is cannabis a recession-proof industry?
31:29 – What legacy does Jared wants to leave?
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Sonia Gomez: What’s up, guys? Sonia Gomez coming to you from Denver, Colorado on another rock your socks episode of The Hemp Revolution Podcast, where we are sharing and telling the real story of cannabis and hemp through the eyes of the entrepreneurs and changemakers who are pushing this industry forward.
It’s our mission to empower you with the truth about cannabis because you need to make educated decisions about how you’re caring for yourself and the people that you love or otherwise participating in this incredible, exciting, and extremely challenging industry.
I invite you guys to check us out at medicalsecrets.com if you want recommendations for products or easy to digest information that can help you feel more confident and competent around the subject of cannabis and hemp. And I also am really interested in getting to know you and hearing your story. If you are a budding entrepreneur or established business owner in this space shoot me an email, email@example.com and I’ll be excited to connect with you.
Guys today. We have an incredible entrepreneur. I’m super excited to talk to you. I’ve been stalking him for a moment here because of his role in legal development across the country when it comes to the cannabis industry. And today we are going to have a chance to pick his brain.
Our guest is a lawyer and public defender who got into documenting the legal developments in the cannabis industry and in part to help people who are going into the industry but also, in part to further the goal of legalization across the country. His work has been instrumental and we’re really excited to talk about the different various laws in each state concerning the development of the industry. And this is going to be a pretty exciting episode, so stick with us.
Make sure that you comment and like on this episode, comment on this episode, like this episode. Make sure that you tag a few people that you know are going to benefit from this information. Put your hands together and help me welcome my good friend, Jared Mancinelli. How’s it going?
Jared Mancinelli: Oh, pretty good.
Sonia Gomez: Super excited to have you on the show.
Jared Mancinelli: Thank you.
Sonia Gomez: Yeah, absolutely. I have done some pretty extensive research into who you are and some of the things that you’ve had your hand in. But for folks who have not had the pleasure to do so why don’t you give us a quick and dirty on who you are? A little bit on your background and what you are up to in the cannabis craze?
Jared’s Background and How He Ended up in the Cannabis Space
Jared Mancinelli: I went to law school at Northeastern University in Boston. I graduated in the midst of the financial crisis, ended up going back to school getting a master’s degree in Public Policy. And once I started doing that, I kind of fell into doing public defender work. I did that for a few years. I’m still working on some of that stuff now anyway, but I got into the cannabis space, in part out of just wanting to do something novel and interesting and in part out of realizing just how terrible and ineffective the drug policy of this country was and wanting to change it for the better.
I mean, personally, I’ve always been in favor of the legalization of cannabis. In fact, I actually agree with Tulsi Gabbard in that sense that she wants to see all drugs legalized and basically take the criminal justice system out of dealing with the drug problem because you can’t jail your way out of it. I mean, I think the opioid crisis is pretty much proof positive of that. But I started getting into the cannabis space and in particular, Cannabis Law Digests when I met with several attorneys from New York and we came up with the idea of what if we had a central point of reference to document all of what went on in the cannabis industry as it happened.
And I thought to myself, you know, what, here’s a chance to do something I’ve always dreamed of doing, documenting the birth of a new area of law. I mean, you know how many times that literally a once in a lifetime opportunity. I’d be crazy not to take this. I’d be crazy not to take the chance. So that’s how I got started in late 2017. cannabislawdigest.com went live in February of 2018. It is still live now.
Cannabis Law Digest: A Central Point of Reference about Cannabis
It’s a relatively low-cost resource for not just attorneys but also activists, business owners, or anyone interested in examining what’s going on legally nationwide in the cannabis industry. It’s a $300 subscription per year, and then you know, for that price, that’s less than what you pay for, you know, actually retaining an attorney in the cannabis space. So we try to make it a good value for our subscribers to spend on it.
Three Ways to Get Involved in the Industry
Sonia Gomez: I love it. This is probably one of the reasons why I was most excited to interview you is because for about a year now I’ve been explaining to people that there are really two ways to get involved in the industry or three ways to get involved with the industry. Number one is to get a job in the industry and develop new skill sets.
Number two is to use the current skill sets and certifications that you have and tailor them to serve this new industry. And then finally, is to start your own business. And I think a lot of people, their automatic eye goes to Oh, I’m going to start my own cannabis company, I’m going to start my own hemp company before they evaluate their assets. And a lot of them end up failing because they don’t have the right amount of assets when they could have just learned this skill set to get into the business and supporting a developing brand.
Jared Mancinelli: Well, I’ve been trying to do all three to tell you the truth.
Sonia Gomez: I think you’re in a unique situation because you have a particular skill set that helps to eliminate a lot of the upfront cost. I mean, just to retain an attorney in this industry ranges anywhere from $5000 up to $15,000. You know, just to kick start, right? That’s two people you want to make sure you have on your team, an excellent lawyer, and an excellent accountant when you’re in this space, right?
Jared Mancinelli: [crosstalk] especially with the issues surrounding taxation, and you know, 280E Tax penalty and all that’s been a problem for a lot of businesses in this space, especially those who’s got plants. So, having a good lawyer and a good accountant is absolutely vital. But I think also, one of the things, one of the purposes of Cannabis Digest serves, is that you know, it allows people to be better, more effective consumers of legal services as well because they can know a little bit more about the legal landscape before they contact their attorney.
Sonia Gomez: Totally.
Jared Mancinelli: the better idea of what to expect both in their home state and in any other state that they’re considering expanding into.
Sonia Gomez: Yeah, absolutely. Okay, cool. So why don’t you tell me a little bit more about the focus of the website? What are three things– who first of all, who is going to benefit most from coming to your site? I’ve been there. I love it. It’s an excellent resource for me, but I’m a public figure and educator in the industry. So, for me, it’s a really incredible resource. Who are the other folks that will really benefit from coming to your site?
Jared Mancinelli: Well, you know, we don’t really– that’s a difficult question to answer because our client base, our sessions they quiet, they’re not technically legal clients. A subscriber base is a pretty diverse group of people. You have everybody from like, dispensary operators, to people in like the hemp CBD side of the industry. We have attorneys and law firms, we have a few accountants.
Sonia Gomez: You have business professionals, you have people are serving the industry who come to you as a resource center to do whatever they’re doing in the industry better.
Jared Mancinelli: Right? And likewise, we also have people who like yourself are educators or interested in learning and presenting more to whoever their students and their audience are. We’re in talks with a group up in Massachusetts who’s doing education and vocational, education, and vocational training for the cannabis industry. And they are interested in what we’re doing and we might be– we’re going to be preparing some educational materials for them. We’re planning on doing some continuing legal education programs. Hopefully–
I never put a grant later this year. I mean situation I don’t have to tell you is pretty tense right now. With this [unintelligible] outbreak, but we’re planning on either later this year or next year doing some continuing legal education courses. I myself have given presentations before vocational training classes. I’ve testified at the state legislative hearings here in New Jersey on several occasions. So you know, we’re getting the word out not just about our project, but you know, basically demonstrating to people that the cannabis industry can create a lot of jobs and a lot of opportunities and a lot of overall benefits for the country and for the economy as a whole.
Sonia Gomez: What have you seen as a– first of all, thank you for the work that you’re doing. I think having a solid fact-base resource Center has been, you know, I have. I’m Greek and Argentina and I’m plenty opinionated, but it’s really nice [crosstalk]
Jared Mancinelli: I’m half Italian, half Eastern, European Jewish. So we got, yeah, you can only imagine, you can only imagine [unintelligible] you to think about.
Sonia Gomez: yeah, I’m telling you what, it’s a good thing my shares uncensored because sometimes I start popping off at the mouth. And I’m like–
Jared Mancinelli: [unintelligible]
Sonia Gomez: I’m telling you why I’m telling you what. So I’d love to hear from you. And I think that one of the really big questions for existing business owners right now is how can they expand their operations and they want to know what the landscapes are. What are the most friendly areas or where should they be looking right now, if they are in the industry and want to grow into the industry or are looking at the industry and want to go to the next booming? The next spot that’s going to be booming? Where’s that? Where’s that going to be based off of legalities?
The Best Place to Start a New Business
Jared Mancinelli: Ah, again, that’s not an easy question to answer because there’s not you know, given that the flow of capital has been restricted in this industry and a lot of the bigger players have kind of overbuilt or maybe over-invested in certain things. I mean, I’m sure you’ve heard about what’s happened in Canada where there’s you know, there are people already experiencing, you know, constriction in supply or out in California where there’s people already being laid off. There are some markets that are still in the process of maturation. I’m thinking particularly in the Midwest, Michigan, and Illinois and places like that.
Before I get into any kind of discussion of all where’s the best place to land, you know, where’s the best place to start your business? The answer is, um, you know what it’s gonna vary depending on who any particular entrepreneur is familiar with what state laws they’re familiar with, what economic environments are familiar with, there’s no one safe place to go and say, Oh, well guess who’s gonna work here? Definitely. There’s always risks involved. There’s always an amount of risk involved. And there’s no case that you’re going to go that’s going to be guaranteed to be successful.
Even in those states, I mentioned the adult-use markets in Michigan and Illinois. There’s emerging medical markets in Missouri and Arkansas, in Oklahoma. In New Mexico As well as the Mexicos is fairly a little bit more mature than that. But the fact is that because this is so new, it’s such a new field. And then state of the law is still very mushy, it’s very novel, the state courts in each state are still figuring out how to course and interpret the statutes and regulations governing the cannabis industry, whether you talk to me about the medical side or the adult-use side
Sonia Gomez: but is it a cross your fingers and hope to die kind of thing. Like it’s a Is it still a crapshoot on the judge that you get, or is there–
Jared Mancinelli: up to a point? Yes, up to a point. Yes. But that’s true for just about every I mean, look at what’s going on in Missouri right now. You had a virtual gold rush for medical cannabis licenses. And now there are 845 lawsuits against the Missouri Department of Health, appealing denials of licenses, appealing denials of licensure for medical cannabis. You have a similar situation in Arkansas where there’s been allegations of corruption and backroom deals in licensure. Down in Florida, you had a situation where there was temporarily a ban on smokeable cannabis and then the state Supreme Court said, no, that’s a violation of the constitutional amendment that we passed. You can’t do that.
Honestly, I could spend all day talking about like, oh, what states have allowed what forms of cannabis and what litigation has gone on over what patients are allowed to possess and what not Manufacturers and cultivators are allowed to grow in the process. I mean, the best answer I can get I can give to those people who are just starting off in this industry is to look at the statutes, look at the regulations, look at them with a critical eye. And if you know, any attorneys who are in the space or have familiarity with the space, spend some time talking to them. The fact is that there is a tremendous amount of uncertainty, there is a tremendous amount of risk involved in that.
And, you know, one thing that I’ve noticed is that sometimes two states will answer the same legal question in very different ways. You see that in the issue of, you know, whether or not it’s legal to fire someone for being a medical marijuana cardholder or testing positive for cannabis on the job, there are some states that give very strong protections to medical marijuana patients and consumers. Whereas there are some states that give no protections at all. And that can be– [crosstalk]
Sonia Gomez: I said those are not going to be the states that were going to crack open the business. Let me ask you a different question. Okay. Let me ask you a different question. When we were talking about the different ways to come into this space, you alluded, that you are actually doing all three, you got yourself a gig in the industry, you’ve tailored your existing services, to serve this new emerging market, like you said, once in a lifetime opportunity to accurately document the phases and stages of growth going through and then on top of that, you mentioned that you’re also starting a business in this space. Is that the website or are you starting a physical, a different kind of cannabis company?
Jared Mancinelli: As of right now I am now starting a different cannabis company, at least not yet. That may change. Here in New Jersey, we’re going to have a ballot initiative come November to legalize adult-use cannabis. And I know quite a few people in the industry here in New Jersey. And people are really chomping at the bit to get into the to get into it. There’s a tremendous amount of enthusiasm for us here on the East coast. And here in New Jersey, where for a very long time New Jersey had some of the strictest criminal laws against cannabis possession in the country.
And there’s a lot of pent up demand and there’s a lot of frustration with even with the expansion of the Medical program. There’s a lot of frustration that mistakes hasn’t gone further. People feel that you know, their rights are being violated that their freedoms are being stepped on by an unjust system, which is true. I mean, that’s absolutely the case. So there’s a lot of people who are eager not just to see legalization, but to have a piece of the pie, to have a piece of the action. And, you know, once that happened, I do anticipate that the ballot initiative will pass.
I can’t say with regards to the rest of what’s going to happen in the general election in November, God only knows. But I do anticipate that the ballot initiative will pass. And what’s going to happen after that, I mean, it’s going to take probably a year or two before we actually have a functional adult-use market here in New Jersey, but I know there’s a lot of people who are very, very eager to get into it. And I’m not really sure what I’m going to be doing at that point. Things seem to change so rapidly these days I feel like I don’t know from one day to the next what I’m going to be doing.
Sonia Gomez: That has never been a more true statement. By the way, the only thing that changes more often than the cannabis industry is the corona industry.
Jared Mancinelli: Oh, God. I mean– [crosstalk]
Well, I’m okay. You can hear me coughing, I don’t Covid-19 it. And I want to make that clear. That’s just allergy. I’m in the process of putting smoking tobacco that is and I’m, you know, all the Bad’s coming out. That’s why you hear you hear me a little bit wheezing here. You know, I just have that but um–
Sonia Gomez: Congratulations, man. That’s not easy.
Jared Mancinelli: I’m not feeling great, but I figure if there’s any time to do it. It’s now because I figure if it increases my chance of not dying during the current pandemic, I figure that’s a smart thing to do.
Sonia Gomez: Yeah. Anything we can do to increase our chances of survival I’m in.
Jared Mancinelli: Yeah, yeah. You know, I can say to people, I mean, I know, you know, complete self-isolation is virtually impossible. People are going to need to go out and get food, get medicine, whatever. Just all I can say is, you know, social distancing, and be careful what surfaces you touch. Be careful what you make physical contact with. I mean, that’s what I’ve been doing. Make sure you wash your hands frequently. I’m fortunate I’m a very clean person, so it’s not quite as much of a big adjustment for me, but, you know, I don’t know what’s gonna happen with this. I can only hope that uh, It turns out to be not as bad as it looks. That’s all I can say.
Sonia Gomez: How do you think all of this is going to add effect and we’ve already seen such an incredible impact in small businesses. And by the time this is published, we’re going to be looking at, you know, even more than like the real repercussions, this will publish in, you know, three weeks from today. And it would have been a completely different landscape by now.
However, you know, we’re already beginning to see the economic impact and multiple industries food and beverage, you know, transportation da-da-da. For Christ’s sake, we are closing down borders like this is very sick that I’m looking at pictures of these cities that are ghost towns, and they’re the hubs of the universe. You know, New York City, New York, LA This is absurd.
Jared Mancinelli: Paris, London, Tokyo.
Sonia Gomez: God, it’s incredible to see how quickly they got everybody to respond and got everybody inside. The impact of these businesses is incredible. And I want to know from you, what do you think is gonna happen with the cannabis industry? They say that it’s a recession-proof industry. Do you think it’s recession-proof? [crosstalk]
Is Cannabis a Recession-Proof Industry?
Jared Mancinelli: I do not believe in the concept of a recession-proof industry? Number one, as someone who’s actually studied economics, I can tell you that there are certain industries that are more resistant to economic downturns than others. And we can get into the whole discussion of, you know, economic systems and, you know, the role of the state and the role of government the role of private capital and financing whatever I mean, that’s, I would be we’d be online all day if we started talking about that.
I think– the cannabis industry I think will weather the storm somewhat better than a lot of other industries but, how could I cook this? The reason for that is that is because a lot of states including my home state of New Jersey have treated cannabis dispensaries and in particular medical cannabis dispensaries as essential businesses which should remain open.
Sonia Gomez: I agree with that 100%.
Jared Mancinelli: [crosstalk] Oh, yeah, sorry. I didn’t mean to interrupt you.
Sonia Gomez: No, that’s okay. I was just saying I agree with that sentiment, 100%.
Jared Mancinelli: Oh yeah. So do I. I tell you, the people who are medical patients, in particular, let’s leave aside the adult US consumers for just a moment. The people who have medical patients, these people are typically either disabled or otherwise, you know, medically fragile. Some of them are immunocompromised. They leave us people depend on cannabis for relief of pain, relief of whatever other symptoms that they are suffering. And a lot of them are even in states where recreational cannabis is legal. They’re getting priority at dispensaries, which I think is as it should be.
There’s been concern about a dispensary is running out of supply. It’s not quite as bad here in New Jersey as it is in other places. But uh, you know, I think it’s interesting that a lot of states have included dispensaries and liquor stores as essential businesses. I find that quite interesting. thing, you know, they’re treating it as if it’s the same thing. But in reality, cannabis has, I think, much greater medical value than alcohol. But nevertheless, I mean, people are going to be afraid to come out, people are gonna be afraid to go out and leave their homes. And that is just going to put a temporary dent in demand, but I don’t think it’s going to be anything that’s going to– it’s not going to destroy the industry. It’s not it’s a temporary bump in the road.
Sonia Gomez: I think we’re resetting I mean, I know people who spent as much money on cannabis as they did on their month supply of groceries and household, whatever.
Jared Mancinelli: Okay. Another issue that’s another issue is the price point it and making the product more affordable, especially for medical patients. I think that’s, again, that’s going to be a problem to solve going forward. I don’t know how to do it now. I don’t have an easy solution. I don’t have an easy solution for that.
Sonia Gomez: No, for sure. And I mean, it’s so incredible. Well, I think it’s going to present a whole new set of challenges. And I generally ask [crosstalk], but I generally ask business owners on the podcast what are the challenges that present themselves to us in this industry while we’re growing and starting businesses, however, I don’t even think we know what the answer to that question is right now. Because just literally, there’s going to be pre-Corona and post-Corona. [crosstalk] has never responded to anything like this before.
Jared Mancinelli: Well, I don’t know about all that. I mean, let’s not forget that a century ago, the Spanish Flu killed more people in World War I did.
Sonia Gomez: But at the time, we didn’t have the infrastructure to shut the entire globe down.
Jared Mancinelli: Now But we also had much more limited transportation infrastructure back then we didn’t have international air travel back then really?
Sonia Gomez: True. Yeah.
Jared Mancinelli: I don’t think that this particular pandemic is going to be anywhere near as destructive as the Spanish flu, or as you know, typhoid fever or cholera or smallpox or any other, you know, a massive disease pandemic that you could name. This is going to be it’s going to be a rough next few months at the very least. Yeah,
Sonia Gomez: yeah. Well, I think the economic impact, you know, and the fear factor are the concern for me, but the thing, people just acting a fool because they’re pent up and they don’t know they’re like caged lions. People don’t know what to do with their pent up energy.
Jared Mancinelli: And the panic buying and holding of goods and price gouging. You know that that certainly doesn’t help. I haven’t heard any reports of Christ gouging in the cannabis industry but I do know that some dispensary’s both in this state and others are limiting the quantities that that can be purchased just to make sure there’s enough product to go around for all the patients who need it which I think again I think is a necessary step to take in a situation
Sonia Gomez: totally Colorado cannabis industry big up to them right now because they’re making you know, incredible fast, necessary decisions to stay open and to serve their communities. And so I’m just like super proud my cannapreneurs right now who are having to make tough decisions, letting people go, you know, keeping on the core team reconfiguring. I mean so much is happening so fast, and I just want to send lots of love out to industries that are having to change so quickly and are doing so really seamlessly to continue to serve our communities. [inaudible]
Jared Mancinelli: Good. Wonderful.
Sonia Gomez: And and, you know, for the work that you’re doing, I think it’s so, so important, like, what is it that you hope to capture? And how do you want to leave your legacy? How do you see that? How do you see yourself being written into his history through the work that you’re doing right now?
What Legacy does Jared want to Leave?
Jared Mancinelli: You ask some tough questions. I gotta hand it to you.
Sonia Gomez: I want you to dig deep. This isn’t a surface level– I’m like the Oprah of cannabis right now. We’re going to start out [crosstalk]
Jared Mancinelli: No, That’s good, though. What I want my legacy to be is I mean, look, I’ve always been kind of a nerd guy who likes to research and writes about stuff. And that’s what I’m doing now. And that’s what I’m going to keep doing. I mean, it’s not the only thing I’m going to do I have other you know, I have other things that are still you know, being formulated because like I said, we don’t really know how all this is going to shake out–politically, medically, economically, any of those questions we don’t really know.
I would like to be remembered as someone who early on as the industry-first kind of beginning, it’s a birth pangs so to speak. The someone who was there and documented it, you know, like, like the medieval scribes of old, you know, writing down now so that future generations can know it. Maybe not that vital, but certainly, we wanted to give to the country or the world, a tool and a set of data that they could use to make decisions and to see what’s going on and see how State governments and the federal government are handling this issue and they could see the evolution of it right in front of their eyes.
Because in addition to all the court cases and litigation, we also have, you know, federal agency guidance and things of that nature, you know, state regulations, federal regulations, agency documents, you know, from the United States Department of Agriculture from the Food and Drug Administration, a whole bunch of others. And basically, you can see about– one thing that you can view is how the federal government, even in the absence of federal legalization is adapting to the new reality. And it’s like watching in a very meaningful way. It’s almost like watching the Berlin Wall fall. [unintelligible] a very strange analogy, but eventually there is going to be federal legalization.
I don’t know exactly how it’s going to come about that. I don’t know exactly what it’s going to come about that, you know, to get a view of how people in government and the public sector are viewing this will give our subscribers some idea of not just what moves to make, but what things to think about as they move along as they progress in this industry. And I’m glad to have had a part in bringing some clarity to an industry that’s still very much in its embryonic stages.
And that’s, I guess what I hoped to be remembered for. Again, what how happens even in the near term future. Not really sure. But that’s what at least people will think of. When they think of me and they think of Cannabis Law Digest. I hope that that’s what they think of.
Sonia Gomez: Awesome. I love that. I was just making sure that you were done. You can interrupt when you’re in flow like that.
Jared Mancinelli: No, I just I kind of wanted to give you a concrete answer, but a lot of stuff swimming around in my brain like, wow, you know what I mean?
Sonia Gomez: Yeah, totally. I totally get it. What I hear you saying is that you want to be remembered for telling the story of cannabis as it happened, you know, and give us a timeline and a, you know, historical roadmap to what transpired here and you’re absolutely right. It is a lifetime type opportunity to be that and be remembered for that and I think I think you guys are doing a really great job. colleagues in the industry and you know, I’m certainly proud of the work that you guys do and you know, see a lot of benefit to how you guys are describing, you know these historical events.
Where can folks find you if they’re interested in following your story or finding out more about the work that you’re doing or perhaps becoming one of your subscribers?
Jared Mancinelli: Well, cannabislawdigest.com is our website, or you can just google Cannabis Law Digest and you’ll find us. There’s a Join button, right. I’m actually on the site right now. Yeah, there’s a Join button. You can see what our subscription pricing is. We also do enterprise pricing for law firms and other businesses that are interested in getting multiple user licenses.
As far as me personally. Let’s see. You can find me on LinkedIn. Jared Mancinelli. You can find me on Twitter mancinelli_ji at Twitter, that’s my ad on there. I’m not as active on there and I’m somewhat active on social media but like, honestly 95% of what I post is just like news, articles, and stuff just to some of it about cannabis and some of it about other legal developments. I’m not one of those people who you know spend all their time trying to be you know, cute funny on social media.
Sonia Gomez: Those guys that talk about those guys.
Jared Mancinelli: I mean, like you’re saying do some like, you know, humorous accounts that I follow, but my job Feed is mainly just like news articles and trying to keep up with both the cannabis industry and other developments in the law.
Sonia Gomez: Way to sell yourself. Way to sell yourself
Jared Mancinelli: Well, yeah, I mean, I’m not one of these people who’s trying to like BS my way into fame. I’m not trying to pretend to be something I’m not, you know?
Sonia Gomez: Yeah. Well, you wouldn’t be welcome onto the podcast, even if you– I don’t have too many, quote-unquote characters on my show. I’m probably the most charactery character on my show. But I have a lot of folks like yourself who are just like really awesome respectable entrepreneurs who are really value-driven and a lot of them are making an incredible impact in the industry however they are serving us.
And so this is just my way of picking your guys’ brains and making new friends in different facets of the industry. And I think it’s just You know, while we all are, for me, we’re like the equivalent to a mom and pop shop where this monster in the industry but we operate still like a very homey industry and [crosstalk] we are a relationship-based business and for me What better way to build relationships and build my network and increase the size of my family in this space by giving you guys a platform to share more about who you are, and what you’re passionate about and the impact that it’s making for the world or for your community.
No matter how big your world is, right? Sometimes, the impact you’re making is so significant inside of a square mile from where you’re located, it doesn’t even matter. Sometimes it’s very macro, like, for me the impact that I’m making, because I’m on the internet, and I’m really like it’s such an incredible advantage that I can leverage the Internet to make the impact that I’m making. But as an industry, we are still a very grassroots relationship-based business.
So my role in that is to provide a platform for you guys to be as you are, loved, respected, accepted, just as we are, you know, as advocates for what I think is freedom. At the end of the day, what we’re really advocating for, what we’re really pushing the issue on, is being able to create commerce around the subject of freedom, how we care for ourselves, the people that we love, how we exercise, our personal belief systems, the kind of access that we want to, you know, nature and holistic the understanding of holistic remedies and the history that that car into the wall for us as we develop an industry around personal empowerment and freedom of choice.
Jared Mancinelli: You know, to kind of hit on that particular point, I think it’s necessary for people to know there’s a tremendous amount of history surrounding this plant and how it’s been used in different capacities, and cannabis has been used medically, as an herbal remedy for lack of a better term for thousands of years. I mean, they found it buried in ancient pre-Han dynasties graves in China. They found like Pooja says made with cannabis and other plants that were used for various medicinal purposes. So the medicinal properties of cannabis have been known for a very long time. Its illegality is a relatively new, I shouldn’t say new but relatively recent historical phenomenon. And it is purely the [unintelligible] And the problem is that it’s called is a purely manmade problem.
And once people start viewing it that way, if you would get from that perspective, I think that’s kind of a good kind of jumping-off point for kind of getting people on board with the idea of legalization, those people who are still on the fence about it anyway. That’s a big part of it. I think. Likewise, I think also the agricultural side of it, the right to grow and things like that. I’m a big believer in the right to grow and allowing patients to home-grow their own medicine. That’s been a very big point of contention here in New Jersey.
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The last bill that came before our state legislature did not include a homegrown provision. A lot of people, myself included, were very upset about that. You know, I spoke out against that I said that you know, a bill without a homegrown provision is, by definition incomplete. I was listening to neither were any of the other people who supported it, but you know, let’s see what happens from November? We don’t really know yet.
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Sonia Gomez: California has a fucking disaster around that right now.
Jared Mancinelli: Yeah, it turns out there I know there’s all kinds of Mayhem going on out there right now. You have California cannabis control people you know ripping out [unintelligible] allegedly illegal all kinds of stuff and you still have people who are you know, going into national powers and cutting down trees to do illegal grows to I’m not quite as supportive of that obviously. Yeah.
Sonia Gomez: No But yeah, I don’t know. I’m just– I serve a number of clients out in California and have you know, family out there who have just done beautiful work for so long and can’t integrate into you know, on the scale or with the licensing and even like the personal growth aspect it where you should be able to have six plants, it’s insane. Like just the regulatory strong arm that’s happening over there that’s disrupting even personal rights, you know, to cultivate your medicine is just insane. And it’s sad to watch because that’s really the hub of where this all started, you know, [crostalk]
Jared Mancinelli: And it’s one of those issues where, you know, there’s the personal freedom aspect of it. And then, you know, to what extent is the right to grow at odds with the concept of a regulated market? And where do you strike that balance because you don’t want to create a situation where like I said, people are just gonna, you know, chop down parts of national forests to do illegal grows and you know, potentially damage the environment? But at the same time, you don’t want to shout out you know, people Who is growing for their own personal use for especially for medical reasons and, you know, strengthen the hand of producers. We’re trying to dominate the market.
I don’t want to see cannabis become just another bland corporate sector where there’s an oligopoly of large producers that dominate the market. And everyone else is just kind of under their thumb because they set the price and everyone else is just kind of forced to follow along. I don’t want cannabis– The people who– the anti-cannabis people who talk about cannabis being the next big tobacco as if the two are even comparable. I don’t want to see cannabis become the next [unintelligible]. That’s my response to that.
I don’t want to see an industry where there are few large players that form an oligopoly and the cartel who defacto have control over price and supply and quantity, and basically, everyone else to compete directly with them rather than have a diverse group of producers in each state who will supply the needs of local markets with the products that are demanded locally, that are needed locally.
And I think that’s something else that is going to have to be as the industry grows and develops it as the legal situation changes the structure, conduct, and performance of the industry as discussed frequently in antitrust law. Those are going to be issues that I think not just where’s the everyone in the industry is going to have to think very hard about those things and what they want to see what culture they want to see out of the industry, and what structure they want to see out of this, I think we’re going to be very, very important. And again that story is yet to be written.
Sonia Gomez: Well, like I said, while we are a self-governing and just industry, we have to decide, Are we going to be the ones who set the bar or follow along with the rules that are being made, and I choose to be somebody who is above. I definitely do not like to operate in mediocrity, nor do I consider myself to be so I like to keep myself and get off to the side that I’m always you know, I don’t like to be the smartest person in the room. So I love how this industry continuously challenges us to utilize critical thinking.
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To understand you know, like how to make this not only a better place to do business but really finding a better way to do business and on a larger scale. It’s super fascinating. And I’m really excited to see how these things unfold. You know, my good friend, we are out of time. I’m like, so into this conversation that I don’t want it to end.
Jared Mancinelli: No, there’s a lot more I have to say. I’ve met so many incredible people in this industry, just people from all walks of life will have a story to tell. And I can tell you, you’re definitely one of those people. Like I said, we’ve attracted a lot of good people in this industry. And I hope that continues.
Sonia Gomez: Absolutely. Me too. Well, so far, so good. I know a lot of really incredible people who are doing incredible things in this space. And so I thank you, Jared, for your time today and for the work that you’re doing in the industry. And for those of you guys who are a part of our Hemp Revolution community or a Medical Secrets family, thank you so much for being a part of this incredible community.
As you know, every time that you like and share content like this and tag people that you believe this is going to make a difference for, you are a part of helping us transform the way that we think about and talk about cannabis in our families and communities. So I invite you now to like and share this content, make sure that you tag some folks or attach them to the email, However, this episode came to you, make sure that you share it around and help us to continue to move the needle on legalization.
Because you like and share content just like this. We’ve been able to impact hundreds of millions of people’s lives around the world. And we are not done yet, guys. So thank you so much. If you’re someone who’s looking for products that you can depend on to deliver the results you’re looking for, check us out at medicalsecrets.com and if you are a business owner or budding entrepreneur in this space, I’d love to hear your story. shoot me a message at firstname.lastname@example.org and I’ll be looking forward to connecting. I’m your hostess with the mostess, Sonia Gomez and this is The Hemp Revolution. We’ll see you on the next show, guys.
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